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To think Princess Di was killed

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Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:35

There OK I said it. You hoo, crazy conspiracy theorist over here…

Yes, I know they had an inquiry though anyone high up enough to kill a Royal could snowball an Inquiry or influence the outcome ? I think it’s naive to think the law is this perfect thing.

Ive always found it odd that she was labelled a “loose cannon” by the press and was campaigning against landmines. It was said that it caused a lot of noses out of joint in politics. I would have thought that weapons dealers and the industry would have taken a huge hit.

There aren’t many celebrities or organisations that could have taken on the weapons or arms industry as powerfully as Diana. It was until then an issue that nobody touched.

Since her death there’s still landmines and the issue has never really been addressed.

I wonder if she’d been alive today what she’d be doing. Not hard to imagine her visiting children impacted by war and maybe even Palestinian refugees, beaming images around the world to restore some sanity and humanity.

I dont think we realise the humanity, bravery and brilliance she had. Could have been going to glamorous events and being a Princess but instead she was carrying on even when powerful people were upset.

I wonder how powerful those people were or was it someone British. Men don’t take a liking to women with power and it amazes me more that she wasn’t killed deliberately in the context of this.

What are the chances she would die at such a young age and to not be wearing a seat belt seems bizarre to me. Just too many coincidences.

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JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:21

IcedPurple · 28/01/2025 19:11

I don't think they were. She was besotted with Andrew Parker Bowles, who for reasons I do not understand was considered a real catch among upper class ladies of the day.

The idea that Charles and Camilla would have married back in the 70s if their great love had not been forbidden is a great story. But it's not really what happened.

I remember hearing how APB was a real cad and ladies man and how every woman worth knowing wanted to land him in her bed because he was such a babe (Princess Anne included).

I googled him in his younger days.

Maybe you have to be upper class and go for the funny shaped skull look but I thought “Him? REALLY!”

YourHappyJadeEagle · 28/01/2025 19:21

2dogsandabudgie · 28/01/2025 18:19

I thought the driver was a regular drinker so if he was over the limit even by quite a lot, it wouldn't have been noticeable as opposed to someone who didn't drink on a regular basis.

We will never know the conversation they had in that car.

Edited

You’d have thought he’d have smelled alcohol but who knows. 🤷‍♀️

Brainstorm23 · 28/01/2025 19:23

Do you read The Daily Express by any chance OP?

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2025 19:23

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:21

I remember hearing how APB was a real cad and ladies man and how every woman worth knowing wanted to land him in her bed because he was such a babe (Princess Anne included).

I googled him in his younger days.

Maybe you have to be upper class and go for the funny shaped skull look but I thought “Him? REALLY!”

You're not wrong. apparently he's been linked to Anne Robinson lately. There's a certain type of chap that would be turned on by being told they're the weakest link in a condescending voice.....

AquaPeer · 28/01/2025 19:24

Drivingoverlemons · 28/01/2025 19:08

The exes have probably signed NDAs. You are right about the QM and QEII, they really screwed up there but equally, I am not sure Camilla and Charles were in marriage territory with each other when they were an item?

Eh? NDAs for Catherine Sophie and Megan’s ex boyfriends? Why on earth would the boyfriends sign them? What a bizarre idea

QE and the QM married men they loved because they weren’t monarchs when they fell in love. Charles was always going to be king

IcedPurple · 28/01/2025 19:25

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:21

I remember hearing how APB was a real cad and ladies man and how every woman worth knowing wanted to land him in her bed because he was such a babe (Princess Anne included).

I googled him in his younger days.

Maybe you have to be upper class and go for the funny shaped skull look but I thought “Him? REALLY!”

Yes, he's supposedly the inspiration for the serial shagger Rupert Campbell Black in Jilly Cooper's 'Riders'.

Even allowing for all those weird early 70s fashions I don't get his appeal. I guess you had to be there. That, or the upper classes simply aren't like you and me!

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/01/2025 19:26

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:46

I just think it’s coincidental that of all the times to die in accident it was after bringing a huge level of attention to landmines & making a whole bunch of arms dealers and politicians annoyed/putting them on the map basically.

She got in a car with a drunk driver and didn't wear a seat belt.

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:26

AquaPeer · 28/01/2025 19:24

Eh? NDAs for Catherine Sophie and Megan’s ex boyfriends? Why on earth would the boyfriends sign them? What a bizarre idea

QE and the QM married men they loved because they weren’t monarchs when they fell in love. Charles was always going to be king

Charles wasn’t a monarch TBF at either of his weddings and I think Edward VIII abdicated when QE2 was about 10.

It’s just strange that a formula that worked so well was suddenly being kicked into the long grass. It goes to show what a total disaster can come from forcing together 2 people who don’t love each other (despite what Diana said I don’t think she ever loved Charles)

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:27

IcedPurple · 28/01/2025 19:25

Yes, he's supposedly the inspiration for the serial shagger Rupert Campbell Black in Jilly Cooper's 'Riders'.

Even allowing for all those weird early 70s fashions I don't get his appeal. I guess you had to be there. That, or the upper classes simply aren't like you and me!

Oh I love Riders!! Interesting.

Yes maybe he’s better looking in person. If large foreheads are your thing.

As an aside I thought Camilla was very pretty as a young woman - perhaps not striking like Diana but certainly attractive

Drivingoverlemons · 28/01/2025 19:27

AquaPeer · 28/01/2025 19:24

Eh? NDAs for Catherine Sophie and Megan’s ex boyfriends? Why on earth would the boyfriends sign them? What a bizarre idea

QE and the QM married men they loved because they weren’t monarchs when they fell in love. Charles was always going to be king

It was just a thought. I thought NDAs were the norm among slebs. I stand corrected 😃

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:28

Drivingoverlemons · 28/01/2025 19:27

It was just a thought. I thought NDAs were the norm among slebs. I stand corrected 😃

I don’t think any of them dated celebs though. If I dated someone who ended up being married into the RF and someone came and said “Sign an NDA” I’d say “ok…for £500k” 😂 sadly the only thing my exes are known for are mugshots in the local newspaper 🙄

EdithWeston · 28/01/2025 19:28

RudbekiasAreSun · 28/01/2025 17:17

lol, this was the opinion of some chauvinist communist men, that the Royal Family could not bear the fact that she went with a muslim and killed her

But nothing, absolutely nothing, happened to Hasnat Khan or to Diana during her relationship with him, even though it was quite long-lasting and apparently serious on her side

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 28/01/2025 19:31

AcquadiP · 28/01/2025 19:01

I'm sorry but this theory has never made any sense to me.

Why would Prince Philip arrange Diana's death when that would leave two of his grandsons - one the future King - bereft of their mother? In what way would Diana's death benefit the future monarchy when William could have suffered from some serious MH issues as a consequence, as Harry, of his own admission, clearly has. That surely would run the risk of destabilising the monarchy, not making it safe for the future?

And what about Prince Charles - who was nowhere near as popular as Prince Diana - wouldn't the public blame him, the next King, because of his self-confessed affair with Camilla? That would be another potentially destabilising factor to the future monarchy.

And as a matter of interest, who exactly would the DOE 'organise' Diana's car crash with? The monarchy is ceremonial, it has no authority over armed forces including the SAS and Royal Marines; and none over our intelligence services.

The Duke of Edinburgh was a WW2 veteran, mentioned in dispatches for his bravery. To accuse him of organising Diana's death is an insult as that would be the act of a coward and not a hero.

He was also well-known for speaking his mind and no doubt if he disagreed with Diana's behaviour or views, he would have told her so, unflinchingy and directly.

If the monarchy were to order the death of embarrassing members of the Royal Family, Prince Andrew would no longer be here and neither would Sarah Ferguson (Prince Philip banned her from Christmas Day gatherings for years.)

The sad reality is Diana chose to dispense with her Royal Protection Officers and on this occasion relied on Al Fahed to provide her with adequate protection. With the best will in the world, it was highly unlikely he would be able to provide security of the same calibre as RPOs. In the event, it was nowhere near good enough: only one bodyguard, no armed outriders and a drunken chauffeur, all of which allowed the Paparazzi to engage in a dangerous, high-speed chase. The coroner also said not wearing a seat belt contributed to Diana's death.

I don't think (but wouldn't rule it out) that PP orchestrated it (assuming we're suspending reality) But you're making the mistake of thinking like an ordinary family person.

The Royal Family is an institution not just a family. They think first and foremost of their survival. They will brutally cut off anyone who is a threat to its continuence.

Two cases in point: They didn't offer asylum to their Romanov cousins did they? In fact George V urged the government not to allow them to come to Britain. They changed their surnames to remain popular and they let Edward abdicate and become a social patriarch and an outcast rather than have him as King with Ms Simpson by his side.

Fergie wasn't a threat to anyone. No need to remove her. She was despised by the press and not really loved anywhere on the same level as Diana by the public. People also miss the fact that Fergie is also very loyal to the RF. Yes she acted stupidly, bit not out of spite. She continued to love Andrew and that meant she never really criticised the family, despite suffering deliberate exclusion for years.

You also being contradictory. You say 'why would he deprive his grandchildren of their mother?' Whilst acknowledging that he forced Fergie to sit out in the lodge whilst her children went to celebrate Christmas without her. Fergie was left out of big family and royal state events. They also deprived their grandchildren's mother of funding. Hardly caring about his royal GC was it? She was forced to hustle like the plebs and go on Oprah.

Being in the Navy makes a man capable of killing for expediency.

Again I don't think PP had anything to with her death. I think the whole thing was an accident. I do think though, that if someone else planned it and he knew, he'd be sad but still comply with it if necessary. It depends on whether there was a perception that Diana's conduct was a threat to Williams future regency as well as other people, the institution, Britain in some way.

TunipTheVegimal24 · 28/01/2025 19:32

I always thought it was common knowledge, that it wasn't an accident?

Really though, does it matter? It was a long time ago, and they're hardly going to arrest the royal family.

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:32

EdithWeston · 28/01/2025 19:28

But nothing, absolutely nothing, happened to Hasnat Khan or to Diana during her relationship with him, even though it was quite long-lasting and apparently serious on her side

They dated for 2 years!

Also Paul Burrell was a huge liability and never got bumped off. Would probably have been buried in one of Diana’s dresses he DEFINITELY didn’t nick. In fact the Queen had a sudden recounted memory that kept Burrell out of prison IIRC at the eleventh hour - not very murderous really isn’t

Dibbydoos · 28/01/2025 19:33

HermioneWeasley · 28/01/2025 15:47

How did her assassins engineer her choosing not to wear her seatbelt?

Noone with money thinks they need to comply with silly laws like wearing seat belts or parking fines.

@Lavenderfarmcottage I don't know if it was the armament industry who offed her though, but I do feel something very fishy happened.

I wonder if being with Dodi was the cause tbh. The royals hated his dad (and now everyone understands what he was like, they're not alone).

Whoever did it, her death couldn't happen here, our police are too good at catching criminals, so they chose France where the police are just sadly less thorough and French people are less nosey so perhaps see less than Brits might.

She did a lot of good. She didn't deserve to die young. Sometimes it's just a tragic accident, but like I said, I've always wondered about her death esp given her driver was lucky to be alive and as much use as a chocolate teapot in being able to tell us what happened. The Fiat involved was never found. The paparazzi involved couldn't strong a story together either 😞

Emilyontmoor · 28/01/2025 19:33

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 18:42

Struggling to sleep. Just came on here to say it was a entire hour or more between the crash and Diana arriving at hospital.

😂So now you are an expert in Emergency medicine! Perhaps if you had been in a crash at 95 mph and you had multiple fractures and, because you were sitting sideways without a seatbelt, your heart had been forced to the other side of your chest ripping a pulmonary artery with it you might just want the medics to stabilise you at the scene, deal with repeated cardiac arrests and transport you slowly because your blood pressure is low as a result of the blood not getting to your heart (put crudely so it does not slosh around your body as the ambulance accelerates and brakes) and take you somewhere they had a hope of being able to deal with such life threatening injuries. Or perhaps you would prefer to be pulled straight out of the car screaming (she was conscious initially) and driven blue lights flashing at 70 to the nearest hospital that did not have those resources? Perhaps? The only person to survive the crash was the one with a seatbelt. It almost certainly wasn’t survivable without because the force of the crash would leave you with those sort of inevitably fatal injuries.

AquaPeer · 28/01/2025 19:34

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 28/01/2025 19:31

I don't think (but wouldn't rule it out) that PP orchestrated it (assuming we're suspending reality) But you're making the mistake of thinking like an ordinary family person.

The Royal Family is an institution not just a family. They think first and foremost of their survival. They will brutally cut off anyone who is a threat to its continuence.

Two cases in point: They didn't offer asylum to their Romanov cousins did they? In fact George V urged the government not to allow them to come to Britain. They changed their surnames to remain popular and they let Edward abdicate and become a social patriarch and an outcast rather than have him as King with Ms Simpson by his side.

Fergie wasn't a threat to anyone. No need to remove her. She was despised by the press and not really loved anywhere on the same level as Diana by the public. People also miss the fact that Fergie is also very loyal to the RF. Yes she acted stupidly, bit not out of spite. She continued to love Andrew and that meant she never really criticised the family, despite suffering deliberate exclusion for years.

You also being contradictory. You say 'why would he deprive his grandchildren of their mother?' Whilst acknowledging that he forced Fergie to sit out in the lodge whilst her children went to celebrate Christmas without her. Fergie was left out of big family and royal state events. They also deprived their grandchildren's mother of funding. Hardly caring about his royal GC was it? She was forced to hustle like the plebs and go on Oprah.

Being in the Navy makes a man capable of killing for expediency.

Again I don't think PP had anything to with her death. I think the whole thing was an accident. I do think though, that if someone else planned it and he knew, he'd be sad but still comply with it if necessary. It depends on whether there was a perception that Diana's conduct was a threat to Williams future regency as well as other people, the institution, Britain in some way.

The royal family do not have the power to order institutional murder. This is just not up for debate. The idea is preposterous.

on this thread we’ve got people who don’t know that mi5 are the internal security service, don’t know what NDAs are used for etc…. It’s not the place we are going to uncover evidence of a plot against Diana 🤨

AcquadiP · 28/01/2025 19:34

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:05

Phillip had also experienced loss at IIRC 21 of his father from whom he’d been estranged for many years. He also lost a lot of his family as a child. Why would he want much loved grandsons to go through that pain?

Agreed, good point.

Morethanthis71 · 28/01/2025 19:36

I feel sad that my children didn't 'know' her. The world is a sadder place without her for sure. And yes, I also believe that was no 'accident'. I don't believe the Royal Family were behind it, but her campaigning caused a lot of questions to be asked ....

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/01/2025 19:38

Oh dear.

She chose to not wear a seatbelt.

Very sad but completely avoidable.

TheGuineaPigsAreConspiringWorldDomination · 28/01/2025 19:39

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 15:50

One of her last public statements to the Press was along the lines of "Watch what I do next!"
So maybe she arranged her own death via getting the driver pissed and leaving off her seat belt.

No?

She was going through the happiest time of her life as an adult, she had divorced a man who made her life terrible and was finally enjoying her life. Why would she choose to die?

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:40

Morethanthis71 · 28/01/2025 19:36

I feel sad that my children didn't 'know' her. The world is a sadder place without her for sure. And yes, I also believe that was no 'accident'. I don't believe the Royal Family were behind it, but her campaigning caused a lot of questions to be asked ....

JFC

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:40

TheGuineaPigsAreConspiringWorldDomination · 28/01/2025 19:39

She was going through the happiest time of her life as an adult, she had divorced a man who made her life terrible and was finally enjoying her life. Why would she choose to die?

Sorry but I don’t think k she seemed happy I think she seemed unhinged. But you’re right that there was no indication she wanted to die

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 19:43

TheGuineaPigsAreConspiringWorldDomination · 28/01/2025 19:39

She was going through the happiest time of her life as an adult, she had divorced a man who made her life terrible and was finally enjoying her life. Why would she choose to die?

Irony alert...........its as likely that she arranged to die in the crash as anyone else orchestrated it.

Both farcical theories.

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