no trans men have ever won something in the male sex category?

[meloncotton]

As the title says, am I right in thinking no trans men have ever won an award or sporting competition in the male sex category?

I don't really want a debate on the rights or wrongs of trans women competing against natal women but I just wondered if anyone has ever heard of a trans man winning something in a male sex category.

YABU - I can name a few trans men winning awards in male sex categories
YANBU- I have never heard of any trans men winning anything in the male sex category.

No, and they're usually crap compared to other pro men.

You’d need to know how many transmen enter male sports to get any sort of meaningful figure. It’s probably not many.

Wasn't there once a woman pretending to be a man in the Mr Gay UK competition? I remember it opening the eyes of some gay men. I can't remember if she won.

I said this on another forum, and someone posted an article celebrating trans people who had won.

It was not the triumphant answer they thought.
It was along the line of:
A (male to female) represented her country at the Olympics in the ladies..
B (female to male) was in his country B squad before he transitioned
C (male to female) is a world record holder in ladies....
D (female to male) was in his college (US) team... Before he transitioned

It's one of the most compelling arguments that men, even after transition, have an advantage over ladies.
Because if there was no advantage, then you'd expect equal numbers at the top of both.

There are a few examples but none are at the elite level - so older athletes, paralympians, college leagues etc. It’s not surprising that elite level sports have no examples as women who transition to “men” don’t have the inherent biological advantages men do.

Snopes have an article about it
www.snopes.com/fact-check/athletes-assigned-female-transitioned-mens-sports/

There is a trans man para Olympian that has won medals. Other than that I can't think of any.

Wonder whether trans men who enter competitions in female categories feel like failed men, or uber-women...

The OP isn't just about sport.

It is about Oscars, men of the year, businessman of the year etc.

Jasmine Paris beat everyone, including all the men in a long distance race but she's a woman so doesn't count according to your criteria but obviously it's the same thing biologically.

nationalrunningshow.com/profile/jasmin-paris

A transman boxer has defeated a bio male boxer

https://www.olympics.com/en/news/transgender-boxer-pat-manuel-makes-history-with-first-professional-win

The boxing one is interesting so thank you for that @KimberleyClark

I'd say though that boxing is an odd one in non olympic terms because they are matched by promoters aren't they? Rather than an actual random best of competition.

What about in male music categories or BAFTA's or something?

You could do a fairly easy count of things like XXXperson of the Year and covers of magazines for achievements not 'man gets pregnant' type stories.

I'm willing to bet it's a sausage-fest in all categories.

As regards Oscar’s etc I’ve long felt there should be single best actor awards covering both sexes. A good actor is a good actor regardless of their sex.

Not to the best of my knowledge. I can’t even think of any significant transman performers.

Linda Hunt won an Oscar (Best Supporting Actress) for playing a male character. That’s the closest I can get.

Interestingly the trans man beat the boxer Hieu Huynh who is 5ft 1in and 119lbs and has a total earning of 3'000 dollars according to the boxer's page.

I think we all know why separate sex categories are important don't we?

Do you remember the recent all male line up for the Brit awards when they went best of either sex?
Or the fact that generally women have less meaty parts than men with less lines in film, so they would be less likely to get a nomination.

There was talk on the internet that people transitioning female to male were still specifically and deliberately barred from male inheritance rules too.

Let’s face it, this is a man’s world, a world for men made by men and they have no intention of ever letting that change. They will lie, manipulate, spread their stories about baby-killing feminists abd believe them as if men do not kill - and at the last, use force to keep it that way. We are seeing that threat of force now. There is only one way to live in equality with men - to not do so.

I guarantee it would be overwhelmingly men and trans 'women' winning awards if that was the case.

Women need a separate category for a reason. Our patriarchal and heavily misogynistic society will ensure that there's no space for women to succeed and achieve if possible.

I think Buck Angel has won a few things.

The highest profile transman I can think of is Elliot Page. When EP gets a really good male role and is nominated for the Best Actor award, we'll know Hollywood genuinely does accept gender identity over biological sex. I'm not holding my breath.

Thanks @pinkyredrose

But...Buck has no awards in the male sex category that I can see. Just trans awards and feminist awards

I doubt whether they’d even bother entering.

It's not the same thing. Jasmin is utterly amazing but she has only once finished an ultra-marathon in first place. Last year she finished fourth at the Barkley Marathon and and became the first woman ever to finish it. This is a near superhuman achievement for anybody, male or female, but especially a woman in her 30s who has given birth twice. However, men have an enormous advantage in anything requiring physical strength because their bodies are organised around producing the small gamete, which is their sole contribution to human fertility. They can have larger lungs and hearts because there doesn't need to be room in their bodies for a womb, ovaries and a growing baby. Their main sex hormone is testosterone which makes their muscles bigger and stronger and they have more fast twitch muscle fibres than we do, which is good for sprinting. They don't have to contend with menstruation, which affects female sporting performance even when the athlete is lucky to have painfree periods and no endometriosis or PCOS. They don't have to organise their training and competing schedules around trying to conceive, pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding and recovering from the birth. Many female athletes postpone having children so long that they end up with fertility issues and more complicated pregnancies simply because of their age. No male athlete faces that choice.

ETA: nobody on hormone treatment is going to compete at the same level as others of their sex who aren't taking artificial hormones. The FTM transitioners will have far higher testosterone levels than other female athletes, to the extent they might not qualify for female sports. They may also have health issues resulting from prolonged exposure to these extremely high T levels - it's known to affect cardiovascular health, for example. The MTF transitioners have higher testosterone levels even when they are taking drugs to suppress T production, and the hormones will in any case not wipe out the advantages of going through male puberty - height, bigger hands and feet, wider shoulders and narrower hips, bigger muscles and the other things mentioned above.

Why do you think there are not many?