no trans men have ever won something in the male sex category?

[meloncotton]

As the title says, am I right in thinking no trans men have ever won an award or sporting competition in the male sex category?

I don't really want a debate on the rights or wrongs of trans women competing against natal women but I just wondered if anyone has ever heard of a trans man winning something in a male sex category.

YABU - I can name a few trans men winning awards in male sex categories
YANBU- I have never heard of any trans men winning anything in the male sex category.

But trans women enter women's sport.

Well, quite.

Three bouts in 2023 which Manuel won - opponents' records, won 1 lost 8, won 1 lost 4, won 1 lost 4

One in August which Manuel lost (technical knockout) - opponent's record, won 4 inc this bout, lost 2

Nothing since.

Oh! I stand corrected.

Schuyler Bailar
Chris Mosier

thanks @FrippEnos

Chris Mosier 2016 World Championship in the men's 35-39 age group division, making him the first known out trans athlete to join a U.S. national team
That's amazing even if it was in the older age group as @Cunningfungus rightly stated.

Schuyler Bailer is incredible, I saw that he began his college swimming career with low expectations, his final 100-yard breaststroke time ranked him in the top 15% - I'm not he won anything after he transitioned though did he? All his awards were as a woman before he transitioned. Still amazing though!!

There doesn't need to be a compelling argument because everyone already knows, and people are just happy for women to be quiet and lose out. Hence why the only sport that requires athletes to go by biological sex is rowing - because that is mixed sex, so if one team were comprised of trans 'women' and men, male athletes would stand to lose.

KimberleyClark · Today 14:36

A transman boxer has defeated a bio male boxer

A carefully selected complete novice. I've seen it and the opponent couldn't hit a cow's arse with a cricket bat.

It might have changed but when the issue of trans people competing in rowing came up they said that anyone could compete based on their gender identity. So men saying they were women and competing and winning against women was fine, women saying they were men and competing against men with no chance of winning was fine.
But in mixed crews the female competitors had to be biologically female, otherwise, as you say, it wasn’t fair on the men in the other crews.
🙄

Yes the rowing one was blatant.
Trans women in women's races, fine.
Trans women in mixed, not fine.

I am not sure I have found any examples but I thank everyone for their contributions

Paralympians aren’t elite athletes?!

What?

Ok yes - perhaps elite is not the best word - but I think most people understand the nuances between the two.

97% polling not able to think of a trans man who has won an award in the male sex category!

Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner. But of course she never competed in the female category.

Caitlin Jenner I’d a trans woman not man

Because transmen typically can't compete against cis men in sports

They will never have the muscle mass to compete.

I thought this was basic knowledge?

Not just sport any awards for men.

Humans cannot change sex, any more than any other mammal. That is a fact.

Jenner has been male since conception and will forever remain so. Jenner is an adult human male, the word for which is 'man'.

The word 'transwoman' is a descriptor for an individual, like fair-haired, or violinist, or Episcopalian.

I was asking whether any trans men (natal women) have won awards in male sex categories.

meloncotton · Today 20:17

Caitlin Jenner I’d [sic] a trans wo man

Duh, I was being stupid and completely missed the point of the thread. Of course she's a trans woman.

@SinnerBoy

I think you have missed the point of the thread. Did you read the OP?

It’s amazing how male categories in both sport and other awards seem to have been untouched by 🏳️‍⚧️ movement. The four or so examples added to this thread are:

1. Pat Manuel, but this boxer was matched with a 5ft 1, 119lb boxer who has earned a total of 3k boxing in his career.
2. Buck Angel, a porn film actor who has only ever won awards in trans or feminist categories
3. Schuyler Bailer, swimmer who, from what I have read seems to have been an US champion swimming as a woman but after transition came third in college breast stroke and ranked within the top 15% for college swims and in the top 34% of all NCAA division 1 swims for the season.
4. Chris Mosier, seems to have transitioned at 30 years old and at 35 earned a spot on the duathlon team, and was ranked 13th nationally in the men’s age 35-39 group. He won the men’s 40-44 category of the National Championship at the USA triathlon duathlon gravel national championships.

I think I can conclude that, so far, we have found one trans man who has won a men’s award. The 40-44 age group national gravel duathlon.

Its just men. cis is not required.

But trans men are men just as trans women are women.

So, why are there no trans men winning male sex categories? Not just in sport.