To say we should sterilise people with repeated child neglect or abuse cases?

[BeHardyGoldPeer]

If you’ve failed multiple children, shouldn’t society step in to prevent further harm?

It's controversial but I agree. Maybe not mandatory but as something that can be offered to slightly reduce jail time.

It is stepping in by removing subsequent children from cate. Often, at birth. If you start sterilizing "unworthy" parents, where does it end? I think we know where from history examples.

I agree along with a ban on name changing by deed poll of those on the sex offenders register.

No. We’re not a facist state.

No way, I wouldn't want to live in a society where the government has that much control.

Who will undertake this? I can’t get sterilised voluntarily nevermind against my will

Yes this!!!! Read an article recently where a daughter was told her Dad who had over years committed horrific SA on her was advised he was now trans and had changed his name. Apparently it wasn't even mandatory to tell her. Sex offenders should NOT be allowed to change identity!!!

This was discussed in a book by Harry Keeble, an ex child protection detective for the Met. He said child abusers and pedophiles were impossible to truly rehabilitate and he felt they posed a danger to children for life. I'd sterilise the women and castrate any man convicted of child sexual offences.

There was also an idea from a Christian charity in the late 1990s to pay addicts £300 to be sterilised if they chose to, to prevent dozens of 'crack' babies being born. It was deemed illegal but he was in favour of it.

Sadly we can’t though maybe we should make loud offers.

Then again we don’t even let women who want to be done, get done as costs and such. Men have long long waiting lists too.

Agree that sex offenders shouldn’t be allowed to change name.

A family member adopted a little girl a few years ago and within a year were told the mother had had another baby, who had been removed from the mother at birth, and who they then also adopted. These children were the 6th and 7th children of that mother that were all now in care or adopted, and the mother was under the age of 30. I can only assume she has had more in the subsequent 5 or 6 years.

Fuck no. Forced sterilisation is a horrific idea.

This is not what a civilised society does to people.

Removing children from neglectful/abusive situations is one one way of intervening, but it often feels like a reactive measure rather than a preventative one.

I'd sterilise the women and castrate any man convicted of child sexual offences

I agree.

I also think anyone who chooses to go into or remain in a relationship/marriage with a child sex offender, should be subject to the same restrictions and conditions in life as the offender themselves. E.g. there was a thread recently about a nursery worker who is married to a convicted child sex offender. That nursery worker should also not be allowed to be anywhere near children.

Jeez, no. Its not that simple. Things never are.

I don't know what the answers are, but that's not it.

I actually believe that this would be a good thing OP. After all, if a parent harms or neglects a child, causing it to be taken into care, and then continues to have more children which go the same way, then to me it makes sense that steps should be taken to prevent further reproduction. At the end of the day, some may say it's taking away their human rights, but what about the rights of the children who are harmed by it, and maybe go on to live very unhappy lives in 'the system', with little opportunity to improve their lot, and all caused by selfish people who seem incapable of using birth control?

The kind of cases you mean are what are deemed problem families and individuals. The suffering of the children is immense and the cost to the taxpayer is immense. If convicted then yes I would support this as much as that’s going to stick in the throats of bleeding hearts.

Women that stay with men when given the choice of man or baby completely terrify me. Like wtf is wrong with the their brains. Same as those of watch and stand by while their partner abuses their child.

A deep dark place in a hole along side the sexual predators is what they deserve.

Yes. Agreed

My heart says absolutely yes but my head says its probably impractical.

What I would say is maybe a Mirena coil should be strongly encouraged.

I do feel very strongly that anyone using drugs or alcohol in pregnancy, particularly where there is social services involvement snd or care orders for other children, that the "mother" should lose her liberty for the duration of her pregnancy in a secure rehab facility where she detoxes and receives therapy.

No I’m not really a fan of forced major operations on people against their will, even bad people. If we did that we open the door to other kinds of people being judged and in turn forced to do something

Child sex offenders are very unwell people, they need medical help but not sterilisation that’s barbaric! I think we don’t give these child offenders any where near enough medical help after being convicted, if we did I think there would be a big decline in re offending.

I'm just imagining what the abusive partners of women with a forcibly inserted coil are going to do to them.

I'm a fan of those long term intervention programmes where women can engage with genuine personalised support, and long-acting contraception is part of a package to help them reduce the abuse and chaos in their lives. Was one of them called Pause?

But no, I don't think anyone should be sterilised against their will.

So you are saying people cannot change ?

No , where would it end ?
I'm remembering my mum telling me when I was a teenager , that her old neighbour had a daughter that attended a special school due to learning difficulties and at a Drs appointment he suggested she might want to think about her being sterilised in case she was ever abused . This would have happened late 70s .