To say we should sterilise people with repeated child neglect or abuse cases?

[BeHardyGoldPeer]

If you’ve failed multiple children, shouldn’t society step in to prevent further harm?

Not about the UK but found this :

A life sentence, a loss or a betrayal.” This is how forced sterilisation is experienced by women and girls with disabilities, according to a report by the European Disability Forum (EDF) and CERMI Women’s Foundation.
The international community has widely acknowledged that forced sterilisation is a violation of many human rights. However, it is still happening all over the world, including in Europe. The report comes at a time when this urgent matter has been receiving attention at international levels.
In July 2017, a high-level publication by the Office of the United Nations (UN) High Commissioner for Human Rights urged UN member states to repeal all legislation that allows forced sterilisation, forced abortion, and forced contraception to be carried out.

I once supported a girl like this. Multiple children removed by the age of 30.

She has suffered horrific sexual abuse and neglect as a child, she was one of four children and the only one who was not removed by social services. Her mother had also suffered abuse as a child.

She just wanted to love and give love unconditionally but she had no idea how to be a good enough parent.

The cycle needs breaking, I don’t know how but I don’t think forced sterilisation is the answer.

Not at all - I do believe people can change and there are many examples of individuals who’ve turned their lives around. My concern is more about the children who are repeatedly put in harm’s way while waiting for that change to happen, which isn’t guaranteed.

Its not an illness, its an abberant sexual preference, research has proven there is very little‘treatment ’ can do.

You’re on the wrong site for those views. They need to be locked away and left to rot.

Forced sterilisation would end up effecting the majority of us.

If this got voted in then that's already some rights removed from women, do you think the government would stop there?

Babies repeatedly getting removed isn't ideal, but some degree of autonomy being taken away from all women is even less ideal.

More money should be put into mental health, education, mother and baby units, support services, women's aid etc, not forced sterilisation.

Ethically we just can't, but I get the frustration, in a professional capacity I worked with a woman who had seven successive children removed from her care, the eldest 3 had suffered extreme neglect and physical abuse the rest were removed at birth withdrawing from heroin.
A friend of mine used to work on a high dependency neo natal ward and told me the screens of those babies born withdrawing were different and would stay with her forever

Yes I was just about to post about Pause. It's a good model as it allows the women to get a lot of the intensive support they often need to then be able to make better choices. The women retain their autonomy and can get therapeutic help, assistance with housing, benefits, undertaking education or training and peer support as well as their Pause worker. They also learn about healthy relationships and recognising red flags.
t's had some very good outcomes.

Forced sterilisation is never the answer. Nobody should be made to undergo a permanent medical procedure against their will.

Child sex offenders who abuse children because they fancy children. They cannot be changed.

Unless your trying to say you can force a change of sexual orientation… how did that go previously…

You're right, it is a reactive intervention as opposed to a preventative one.

I wonder what support is made available to women whose babies are removed soon after birth? It must be hellish! I can't imagine many things worse than living with active addiction, being post-partum and having my baby removed. How does anyone come back from that? Is trauma informed therapy available, or contraceptive counselling or rehabilitation support?

I've worked with children with FAS/FASD as well as children with developmental and cognitive delay due to their mums' drug use while in utero; the impact on the child's life is huge. But forced sterilisation? I'd lean toward comprehensive wrap-around support packages to facilitate rehabilitation (long term ‐min 1 year- residential programmes are successful in Europe) and to prevent future pregnancies (contraceptive implants etc).

I loosely have a family member whose gf was basically given the choice of him or the baby. She tried to pretend she picked the baby keeping member on the edges. It all came out. Baby went for adoption. They are still together telling the story of how social if horrible. Social is evil.

His own dad wasn’t allowed to keep his children either and found one or two women who also picked him over their children.

More horrific than child abuse, neglect and subjecting tiny babies to drug withdrawal upon birth?

Honestly in extreme cases I agree my ex nearly married a woman who lost all her children not all at once but one after another social services kept giving her chances to straighten up stop drinking stop the violence she would mess up lose her children move on to the next deadbeat and repeat last picture I saw of her she was pregnant again (she split from ex) there is no sign of a child so I'm assuming either the unthinkable happened or another child in care she needs serious birth control and help

A different kind of horrific and one that’s not at all justifiable

It already is offered. I know a woman with 3 children removed. She has been allowed to keep another 2 children but was recommended sterilisation after those and she had it. I don't agree with enforcing it. That's going down a dangerous path.

I didnt know that. And yes forced is a slippery slope but offered certainly. Especially if SA involved.

OP, I once wrote on here that serial sex offenders should be castrated to stop them, and had people messaging me to tell me I was worse than a rapist/nazi/murderer for even suggesting that. So remember that regardless of what the end vote is, some people just really like sticking up for abusers.

Think this through. Who would do this forced sterilisation? You can't just order medics to do something so barbaric.
And how exactly would it be done? Tranquilliser dart first? Force a sedative down someone before knocking them out?
Maybe we'd be able to get advice from other countries/regimes about this - ones we definitely don't want to emulate.

But there are also many people who are attracted to children and yet cannot imagine causing them any harm. Sexual orientation/preference doesn't always lead to crime so, clearly, something else is at play here.

Why just sterilise women? Plenty of feckless fathers who have no interest in parenting or are abusive.

I think it's clear what sort of person posted this ridiculous idea. Definitely not female.

I am all for supporting people to get their lives together where possible but once you have had multiple children removed from your care it is time for society to admit that you are a lost cause (with regards to raising a family) and ensure no more babies are born to go straight into the care system.
Perhaps if forced sterilisation is too unpalatable mandatory contraceptive implants would be an option for women and apparently vasectomy is reversible for men...
Personally I would be much happier if child abusers/child sex offenders were locked away for life (and I mean life as in until they die in prison) rather than being 'rehabilitated' and dumped back in the community but with space in prison so limited that's not going to happen.

YABMU.

Bodily autonomy should be sacrosanct

Where does it end though? Poor parenting is on a spectrum. Should parents who don't follow screen time recommendations from the WHO be allowed to have more than one child? Parents who repeatedly miss healthcare appointments? Feed their children UPFs and added sugar diets?

Vasectomies aren’t reversible or rather should not be treated as such. The more time that passes the less reversible they should be.

And there are many who are liars. There are many who may of believed that statement when they said it then go on to cause harm.

Even looking at a photo caused harm and I bet 99% of them have looked at least one.