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To think pet rats don't belong in coffee shops?

202 replies

Rowena191 · 16/01/2025 21:34

I was a bit gobsmacked today in the queue in a coffee shop. The young woman in front of me was wearing a baby sling and out crawled a pet rat, which ran up and down her arm and had a good sniff about. It didn't poo, wee, bite anyone or run on the counter tops. But all the same I felt creeped out. Rats are not what I am expecting in an establishment serving food. I didn't say anything as frankly I was too shocked.

Was I being unreasonable and pet rats are fine? (I do think pet rats are fine if kept in your own home.) Should I have said something to her? Should I have complained to the manager? Plenty of people bring in dogs after all.

OP posts:
kiana2015 · 16/01/2025 23:52

tillytoodles1 · 16/01/2025 21:45

I would have ran out in hysterics. I have a rat phobia and I never open my windows in case one comes in. I keep a heavy weight on my toilet seat just I in case one comes up the toilet.

I am exactly the same no one else seems to understand and think I'm dramatic

Garlicnorth · 17/01/2025 00:01

XenoBitch · 16/01/2025 23:36

Up to you to find one. As a dog owner, it is not my responsibility to find you a dog free place.

I don't need one. I don't care about dogs either way. It's just that I find your attitude despicable. Pubs and cafes are for human customers, otherwise they'd sell dog food instead. A lot of people are allergic to dogs or afraid of them. It's really shabby to exclude them from places of refreshment by insisting on bringing dogs in.

Unrepentantfarter · 17/01/2025 00:03

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 16/01/2025 22:14

I quite like pet rats, but they do wee constantly so aren't hygienic at all.

If I were the rat owner I'd not have taken it at all for fear of it getting hurt.

Also, was there a baby in the sling or was it for the rat?!

DGM used to have a neighbour about 30 years ago that wore a slightly odd looking leather collar on all her outfits. Or at least that's what DGM thought until the day she was behind her in the post office and the 'collar' untucked it's head from under its wing and was revealed to be a massive fruit bat!

A pet fruit bat would be DD's dream! She currently has birds that roost in her hair and give her kisses...

The fruit bat wasn't in the UK, I'm guessing?

XenoBitch · 17/01/2025 00:05

Garlicnorth · 17/01/2025 00:01

I don't need one. I don't care about dogs either way. It's just that I find your attitude despicable. Pubs and cafes are for human customers, otherwise they'd sell dog food instead. A lot of people are allergic to dogs or afraid of them. It's really shabby to exclude them from places of refreshment by insisting on bringing dogs in.

OK, I am lacking the time and crayons to explain this to you....

If a a place is DOG FRIENDLY, then someone taking their dog there is doing NOTHING wrong.
If you have an issue with dogs, then you are being entitled a selfish to moan about dogs that are in a dog friendly place.
If I am on holiday with my dog, it is my responsibility to find dog friendly places that we can go to. If you are allergic hate dogs, then it is your responsibility to find a place that accommodates you.

neilyoungismyhero · 17/01/2025 00:10

vodkaredbullgirl · 16/01/2025 21:44

Yeah ok, as if that happened.

We have a woman who brings her ratty into our shop often. Not beyond the realms of possibility she also goes somewhere for coffee.

scorpiogirly · 17/01/2025 00:46

It was probably cleaner than half the people on there 😀

OneLemonDog · 17/01/2025 01:10

I LOVE pet rats, have 5 at the moment and have had many more in the past, but YANBU - I certainly wouldn't take mine to a place that serves food .

crumblingschools · 17/01/2025 01:11

Quite a few cafes/pubs do offer doggy snacks. If a place is dog friendly it normally says dogs are allowed, it doesn’t say pets. We are in quite a tourist area so makes economic sense for cafes etc to have a dog friendly area

bridgetreilly · 17/01/2025 01:45

It would have freaked me out. I really loathe rodents. They scurry. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

I would have needed to leave because I just couldn’t have relaxed knowing there was a rat in the room. And if there had been a staff member near the exit, I might well have told them why.

OneLemonDog · 17/01/2025 03:36

purpleme12 · 16/01/2025 23:38

Can someone who has rats tell me

Do they not just climb off you to go explore? Would you not lose them?

Most of our rats have been free-range. They do have a cage but their door is always open (but we do have to have a couple of litters trays in each room, and you have to be careful to keep cables protected or out of reach, and not leave clothes laying around). Some keep to themselves a little more than others, some insist on not only coming to bed with us but really snuggling up. Most will come if you call them and/or russle food.

Some have perfect recall, so I sometimes let them play outside - but only one at a time and never out of my sight.

Occasionally, one will go "missing" - in that I might not have seen them all day and I start to get worried, but they've usually just fallen asleep in an atypical place.

We did, once, have a pair of rats where one was a real explorer. She was very obedient if you were there to supervise (great recall, knew a few tricks) but she was a climber and always wanted to investigate new spaces. We left her and her sister unattended on one occasion, for about 15 minutes, and came back to find she had chewed a hole into the wall (well, widened the existing hole where radiator pipes) and disappeared into it. She immediately came back when called.

I also inadvertently left the patio door slightly ajar one day, but only for a moment. I closed it promptly and went off to work. DP was home and, an hour or so after I left, there was ratto at the door, wanting to be let back in.

She and her sister were, by necessity, the only ones that we had to keep caged while overnight and when we were out.

Most, though, just lounge around or get up to harmless mischief.

garlictwist · 17/01/2025 04:03

Gross. I don't think any animals should be in places where food is served (except guide dogs).

Wonderi · 17/01/2025 07:09

Deadringer · 16/01/2025 22:38

The last time I was in aldi I saw a man with a parrot on his shoulder, whats the point of bringing it, why couldn't he leave it at home? Another day a met a man with a hawk on his arm, in a housing estate! I assume he was taking it somewhere to exercise it.

Because it’s attention seeking.

The birds do need to be exercised but taking them into shops and cafes etc is just attention seeking and can sometimes be quite cruel if they find it distressing.

Pets are living things and it annoys me when people treat them like toys.

SnakesAndArrows · 17/01/2025 07:34

Later in life, I had a lovely pet rat, that someone had abandoned. He used to accompany me in the forward pocket of my sailing smock.

I doubt I’m going to read a more delightful paragraph this year.

On well behaved pets in all situations, I’m thrilled and will want to say hi to them. If I ran a cafe it would be like that episode of Vicar of Dibley because it’s my cafe. However, I realise that most people don’t feel like this and a no-pets rule is obviously fine.

frockandcrocs · 17/01/2025 07:34

It wouldn't bother me any more than any other animal. Pet rats are very affectionate and clever and clean. I've never had them but a friend has and it changed my opinion of the animal!

Animals in those places is a debate, for sure (and I'm pro-(well behaved) animals!), but I wouldn't single anybody out just because its a rat and not a dog.

purpleme12 · 17/01/2025 07:37

OneLemonDog · 17/01/2025 03:36

Most of our rats have been free-range. They do have a cage but their door is always open (but we do have to have a couple of litters trays in each room, and you have to be careful to keep cables protected or out of reach, and not leave clothes laying around). Some keep to themselves a little more than others, some insist on not only coming to bed with us but really snuggling up. Most will come if you call them and/or russle food.

Some have perfect recall, so I sometimes let them play outside - but only one at a time and never out of my sight.

Occasionally, one will go "missing" - in that I might not have seen them all day and I start to get worried, but they've usually just fallen asleep in an atypical place.

We did, once, have a pair of rats where one was a real explorer. She was very obedient if you were there to supervise (great recall, knew a few tricks) but she was a climber and always wanted to investigate new spaces. We left her and her sister unattended on one occasion, for about 15 minutes, and came back to find she had chewed a hole into the wall (well, widened the existing hole where radiator pipes) and disappeared into it. She immediately came back when called.

I also inadvertently left the patio door slightly ajar one day, but only for a moment. I closed it promptly and went off to work. DP was home and, an hour or so after I left, there was ratto at the door, wanting to be let back in.

She and her sister were, by necessity, the only ones that we had to keep caged while overnight and when we were out.

Most, though, just lounge around or get up to harmless mischief.

Wow that's amazing

I think I'd just worry about them though!

So do they come in bed and sleep with you?

VoodooRajin · 17/01/2025 07:44

Businesses spend thousands eliminating rats, not dogs

TickingAlongNicely · 17/01/2025 07:56

VoodooRajin · 17/01/2025 07:44

Businesses spend thousands eliminating rats, not dogs

They wouldn't be happy about wild foxes either.

Plus when was the last time a child was mauled to death by their pet rat?

The only difference is that society expects owners to take their dogs everywhere

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 17/01/2025 08:06

purpleme12 · 16/01/2025 23:38

Can someone who has rats tell me

Do they not just climb off you to go explore? Would you not lose them?

Yes they go off to explore but they come back. They want love, cuddles, food and they like to just hang out with you

My rats used to do the cutest little snuffles into my ears. They'd sit on my shoulder and make the sweetest little noises. Rats also love to groom you.
Rats think we are dirty.

They really are amazing pets. Particularly for children. Much better than hamsters, who mostly just want you to leave them the fuck alone. More robust than guinea pigs, who are really easily startled and quite hard to properly care for.

I love small animals. I've had them since I was a kid up until I had children (not because you can't have them when you have kids but because I didn't have the time to give them the attention they need and deserve)

I've had hamsters (grumpy fuckers)
Mice, rats, guinea pigs, rabbits and gerbils.

Rats are my favourite.

Clearinguptheclutter · 17/01/2025 08:09

I once was taken aback seeing a rat riding on someone’s shoulder on a tram! This was not in the UK mind.

i’m not keen on seeing them in coffee shop. But if dogs are allowed then it’s tricky. Arguably it’s not really a health risk to anyone if they stay “on” the owner. Scurrying about would obvs be wrong.

purpleme12 · 17/01/2025 08:13

If you keep rats as pets, does it make the room smell?

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 17/01/2025 08:21

purpleme12 · 17/01/2025 08:13

If you keep rats as pets, does it make the room smell?

Only if you neglect them and don't keep their cage and trays clean.

They smell like rats, just like we smell like people and cats smell like cats etc but they don't smell bad or make the room smell bad unless they aren't being taken proper care of.

Nessastats · 17/01/2025 08:29

People who are terrified of a small furry pet which isn't capable of actually causing any harm need to get a grip.

Lurkingandlearning · 17/01/2025 08:47

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 16/01/2025 21:39

Wouldn't bother me at all, but I had pet rats. The tame ones are clean creatures.

OP I wouldn’t like it.

I have a question for @IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums

My first thought was the rat would run away to get to the food. I know rats are very intelligent, but are they affectionate so as to stay with their owner, untethered when there’s lots of interesting things around them to explore?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 17/01/2025 08:51

As a student my dd had a very tame pet rat she used to take to the pub, snuggled in her jumper. He was very partial to crisps. 🙂

HolyZarquonsSingingSeals · 17/01/2025 08:52

A rat in a cafe where dogs are allowed? What could possibly go wrong?