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To be completely shocked by this - Bridget can’t tell us the impact of the government’s VAT on Education?

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Sasskitty · 15/01/2025 17:05

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

Bridget Phillipson failed to spell out the full impact of the government’s private school VAT raid, dodging the question when asked about the possible implications for special education schools.

While she said the government has “looked at all of the potential impacts”, her answer failed to provide any real detail on the expected consequences.

It comes as parents and schools complain about the implications of the tax raid, which came into force on New Year’s Day and is expected to raise £1.5bn for the Treasury.

YABU - Bridget Phillipson has it all in hand. She just didn’t feel like answering the pesky question. The point is to piss rich people off. Leave Labour alone, they want nothing but erm oh I’m not sure.

YANBU - Phillipson clearly has no idea what the impact of VAT on Education will be. Nor does she really care as long as she’s seen to be punishing those horrible rich people. Or even better (it seems) the not really rich ones just trying to improve the education of their children as the available state schools were not suitable.

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

(sorry paywall but there’s not much more in the article)

PS. I’ve removed the poll tally, no one needs to see real data. Do they?

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid — The Independent

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

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twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:01

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 12:59

I can’t give you a definitive answer to that except to say that I’ll do what I always have, research and generally make my presence felt until my children’s needs are met.
I can only speak for myself.

" generally make my presence felt until my children’s needs are met" 😄😄
I have just posted what budget cuts Labour are going to be forcing on schools.
So it's fine for you to "make my presence felt" to get results for your kids but not for other parents to choose indy schools?
Jesus christ!!!!

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:01

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 12:59

I can’t give you a definitive answer to that except to say that I’ll do what I always have, research and generally make my presence felt until my children’s needs are met.
I can only speak for myself.

And what if all that fails due to lack of funding for your children's school?

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:03

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:01

I guess we’ll never come to terms because I don’t see taxation as a punishment. I see it as a contribution.

A contribution of our hard earned money that we can all happily say will be thrown straight into a "black hole"

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:04

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:01

" generally make my presence felt until my children’s needs are met" 😄😄
I have just posted what budget cuts Labour are going to be forcing on schools.
So it's fine for you to "make my presence felt" to get results for your kids but not for other parents to choose indy schools?
Jesus christ!!!!

I feel we are once again in Animal Farm territory...

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:06

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:04

I feel we are once again in Animal Farm territory...

Indeed. Socialist privilege = good. Anyone else's privilege = bad and should be taxed

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:07

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:01

" generally make my presence felt until my children’s needs are met" 😄😄
I have just posted what budget cuts Labour are going to be forcing on schools.
So it's fine for you to "make my presence felt" to get results for your kids but not for other parents to choose indy schools?
Jesus christ!!!!

Apologies for responding but I think this needs to be said.
When I improve things for my children at their state schools, I improve things for everyone’s children. When parents choose to opt out of state provision, they improve things for their child.

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:08

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:01

I guess we’ll never come to terms because I don’t see taxation as a punishment. I see it as a contribution.

And everyone on here pays their taxes!! This is about an additional tax which will raise nothing yet disproportionately impact those affected.

I hope you opt in to pay the additional voluntary contributions scheme to HMRC as you are so happy to pay?

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:08

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:01

And what if all that fails due to lack of funding for your children's school?

It hasn’t yet but I’ll let you know if it ever does.

MrsSchrute · 24/01/2025 13:09

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:00

From this thread (as pointed out by PP) it seems that the argument is that paying for provision of an essential service yourself is a privilege. And that you need to be punished using taxation rather than supported in relieving the tax payer burden.

Private education is obviously the first target. But as mentioned above, this argument if consistent, should been applied by PP to any essential service, care homes and medical care being two good examples that logically should be the next targets. Users are also buying "privilege" as there are perfectly good state run providers.

One of the worst areas of privilege are universities. They buy privilege in life to anyone going and what is worse, can't even be classed as "essential" So they need to be taxed to the hilt, the rich fat cats.

There are no arguments against any of that if you subscribe to the attack on private schools.

Education is an essential service, private education is not. Desirable? Perhaps, but not essential.

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:10

NordicwithTeen · 24/01/2025 12:52

So you don't think taxing parents using tutors should happen if education is to be taxed?

No wonder the government don't know what they are doing if their supporters can't understand. Or don't "describe schools as "sink" " because it is easier to ignore them.

Please don’t make assumptions on my behalf. If you’d like to know what I think, ask me, don’t tell me.

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:10

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:07

Apologies for responding but I think this needs to be said.
When I improve things for my children at their state schools, I improve things for everyone’s children. When parents choose to opt out of state provision, they improve things for their child.

What exact improvements have you made in your schools?

Your sanctimonious outlook is outstanding! You really see yourself as being morally superior and think you are genuinely being altruistic? Get real.
You are fighting for your children and it is highly improbable that any other kids benefit from anything you achieve for your own children because there simply isn't the money there to do that!

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:10

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:08

It hasn’t yet but I’ll let you know if it ever does.

Would you ever go private if your kids school doesn't work for them. Assuming funds? Or would you keep them in state no matter what? Or pay for private tutors?

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:11

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:04

I feel we are once again in Animal Farm territory...

Animal Farm was a critique of communism.

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:11

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:08

It hasn’t yet but I’ll let you know if it ever does.

It IS happening. NEU has posted a campaign against cuts in school budgets for next year.

NordicwithTeen · 24/01/2025 13:11

"When parents choose to opt out of state provision, they improve things for their child."

Thank you for at least admitting we are all trying to improve things for children, except the government who are pitting one set against another as smoke and mirrors.

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:12

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:10

What exact improvements have you made in your schools?

Your sanctimonious outlook is outstanding! You really see yourself as being morally superior and think you are genuinely being altruistic? Get real.
You are fighting for your children and it is highly improbable that any other kids benefit from anything you achieve for your own children because there simply isn't the money there to do that!

Quite often the sharp elbow brigade get to the front of the queue if there is limited provision. Shame for the others but that's the privilege of the child that has the pushy mother.

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:12

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:08

It hasn’t yet but I’ll let you know if it ever does.

And what would you do in that situation?
Would you put your own beliefs above the welfare of your children?

MrsSchrute · 24/01/2025 13:13

Araminta1003 · 24/01/2025 12:43

@ChallahPlaiter - can you please explain why your own DC with SEND are not going to be impacted if a whole lot of additional DC with SEND now also have to join their school? How are you so confident that extra funding that your schools are likely to have to put up (up to 6k) per child won’t lead to other children getting more attention and your children getting less? Why would anyone with DC with SEND anywhere be safe? They are not. More kids in the system will mean less money to go around, for all.

But it isn't going to be 'a whole lot of additional DC with SEND', it's going to be a tiny number. Spread across the country the impact will be minimal.

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:13

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ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:14

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:10

Would you ever go private if your kids school doesn't work for them. Assuming funds? Or would you keep them in state no matter what? Or pay for private tutors?

No I wouldn’t choose a private education. Apart from anything else, I haven’t been very impressed by family members’ experiences of choosing that path.
I pay for a music tutor (piano) but would be happy to pay VAT if it was still affordable. Otherwise I wouldn’t use the service.

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:14

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:12

And what would you do in that situation?
Would you put your own beliefs above the welfare of your children?

Well who knows!

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:15

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:11

Animal Farm was a critique of communism.

You said you are very left wing. I'm sure you recognise the themes. Labour encapsulate many at the moment.

twistyizzy · 24/01/2025 13:15

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:14

No I wouldn’t choose a private education. Apart from anything else, I haven’t been very impressed by family members’ experiences of choosing that path.
I pay for a music tutor (piano) but would be happy to pay VAT if it was still affordable. Otherwise I wouldn’t use the service.

Ah so you would put your personal beliefs before the education/welfare of your own children. Gotcha.

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:15

NordicwithTeen · 24/01/2025 13:11

"When parents choose to opt out of state provision, they improve things for their child."

Thank you for at least admitting we are all trying to improve things for children, except the government who are pitting one set against another as smoke and mirrors.

What would be the point of private education if it didn’t improve the prospects of the individual? I didn’t realise that was in contention.

Hoppingabout · 24/01/2025 13:16

ChallahPlaiter · 24/01/2025 13:14

Well who knows!

You would go private. You just don't want to admit it. Don't worry...Diane Abbott came up with some arguments as to how you can justify it to people.

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