Why do so many people criticise vegans?

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I'm a meat eater!

However, I don't understand why people criticise vegans so much.

They aren't hurting me and are trying to save animals and the environment.

What's wrong with that?

Surely people should be more critical of me because animals are killed for me to eat?

Vegan activists go undercover on farms and abbatoirs often, make reports, release footage etc. I did this when I was younger and I’m still involved with groups who do this. Often we didn’t get to find out the outcome of our reports, I do think a lot was covered up, sometimes the farms and abbatoirs were prosecuted.

Untrue. Example: dairy cows. They have a shit life. Calves removed from grieving mothers and male ones sent straight to slaughter, pus filled udders, cramped conditions, forced artificial insemination...ending in their own slaughter etc

I don’t actually eat any red meat.

But they don't get to live long.

They have also been bred, in the case of meat cows, to get really big, really fast. They are mutated versions of what they once were. Its not healthy for them. Dairy cows get to live a little longer but, the milking devices often cause them skin irritation and injuries.

'Not a crap life' is hardly a good one. Or a long one.

Projecting a bit there aren’t you. Where in my comment did I say I had a problem with all vegans if you want to be vegan knock yourself out but don’t sit there and judge me 9 ways to Sunday for choosing to have a different diet. There’s a difference between being vegan and being a loud obnoxious vegan that wants all and sundry to know about it.

OK but you didn't make that distinction in your post.

The thing is by continually attacking vegans for not being 100% perfect, you are displaying extreme hypocrisy, because your own meat eating behaviour contributes detrimentally towards the planet, whether it is medically avoidable or not. You're clearly not perfect.

On a side note, I take back the "go vegan" comment, if there is a genuine medical reason you cannot be vegan (I'm interested to know what that reason would be if you feel able to share it). In the heat of replying I forgot the earlier part of our discussion where you stated that (for which I apologise) but I was trying to point out the ridiculousness of a meat eater accusing vegans of being bad for the environment when eating meat is way worse!.

What I am trying to say is I would like you to recognise the clear hypocrisy in your own comments and logic.

@TeaAndTattoos virtue signalling? Really?

And They aren’t doing it because they care about animals they are doing it because it’s the in thing at the minute and it makes them feel like they are better than everyone else.

I've been a vegan for 9 years, and I'm a vegan for nothing other than animals - I will die a vegan. I live my day to day life with animals at the forefront of my mind, making sure that the choices and decisions I make have little impact on an animals life. I know that I can't possibly live my life without an animal being hurt because of my existence, but the day to day choices I make certainly reduce my impact. How is that virtue signalling?

Because of their superior holier than though our way is best let’s ram it in your face attitude. Be vegan but do it quietly as no one else cares. We all make our choices. You don’t see meat eaters ramming their choice down everyone else’s throats

"You don’t see meat eaters ramming their choice down everyone else’s throats"

Have you read through the experiences of vegans and veggies on this thread?

Well you'd be wrong there. Because on this thread alone lots of vegetarian and vegans have had to deal with that.

I'm not even vegan and ive had people harang me for daring to order vegetarian options.
'Not one of those vegans are you?' said with real vitarol for example.

Try giving up meat and watch how quickly people start acting like you've somehow slapped them in the face.

How do you know someone is a pilot?
They’ll tell you..

Vegans are the same.

Vegan bingo. That's about the 30th time someone has said that on this thread alone. Yawn...

The funny thing is as well, people take about these holier than though vegans shoving their choices in their face...and its like...where? Like in your day to day life, you're not going to encounter much of that, if any.

Give up meat however and everyone and their fucking aunty has something to say about it.

It can be the same if you give up booze. People will make out you think you are better than them if you turn down a drink. Like, no, I juat don't drink. It's not a reflection on you or your choices.

At least. They all think its so original too.

How to tell someone's an arsehole.

Try reading the thread, you will see that many of us have experienced meat eaters ramming their choice down our throat. We do something as simple as ordering a vegan meal and get told we are unhealthy, need meat, have to listen to them making animal noises at the dinner table and if we respond in any way, we’re told we are preaching. 🙄

Show me where I can safely eat a vegan diet and not risk amputation, blindness, kidney disease, liver disease. Lack of B12 to the point of death due to Addison's and my sickle cell to boot seeing as I have a rather strange type of diabetes to go into the mix not including the IBS and the allergies. Do please tell me how. I’m all ears. My consultant would be very intrigued too as I stump her too at times.

You have no clues on someone’s else’s diet other than your militant views on what’s the right diet which is to you vegan.

you stated that you know your doctors diet why I asked but then went on about the directory of vegan doctors. Plus show me peer medically written journals about veganism that is a better diet.

it’s not a one size fits all my dear it’s what’s best for that person.

Veganism is about doing it to the best of your ability. I think its perfectly sensible not to do something that makes you ill as an individual.

But the b12 thing is odd...because you know there's this thing called a supplement right?
Most people are deficient in various nutrients at any one time. We only really notice it when we are ill. Presumably, if your illness requires lots of b12 in order to prevent symptoms from worsening, you may still benefit from taking a supplement anyway.

I agree with you, I don't have time for the 'everyone can go completely vegan with ease brigade'. Because it leaves no room for individual circumstances. People aren't a monolith.

But anyone can work it - to the best of their own ability. Falling short of anything that causes health issues.

You’re a vegan good for you 👏🏼but my comment wasn’t about the vegans who are doing it because they love animals my comment was about the loud obnoxious vegans that want everyone to know about it. But if the shoe fits Cinderella.

Many domesticated species wouldn't exist at all if not for their use as sources of food or hides or wool. Ditto fowl.

They have also been bred, in the case of meat cows, to get really big, really fast. They are mutated versions of what they once were. Its not healthy for them.

Beef cattle are far smaller than dairy cattle, and a lot more nimble. The cows obviously live a bit longer if they're used for breeding.
Anyway as long as their lives are pleasant, I don't think the length matters particularly.

Allergies so can’t take a supplement 🤦‍♀️ my B12 deficiency is shot to shit hence the meat so not a weird one at all. See told you I’m a strange case well I think I’m an amazing one cos I’m alive.

Because most of them are self righteous knobs.

This was your opening comment, so I'll leave that with you.

I get that you have 2 brain cells fighting for 3rd place but that clearly says most of them not all of them but like I said if the shoe fits Cinderella.

😂 sorry (not sorry) for not reading the full dull thread. Are you vegan? (Rhetorical)