Why do so many people criticise vegans?

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I'm a meat eater!

However, I don't understand why people criticise vegans so much.

They aren't hurting me and are trying to save animals and the environment.

What's wrong with that?

Surely people should be more critical of me because animals are killed for me to eat?

@Kenway01 By the way did you ask ChatGPT for that?

@MissysMeemaw

You can’t defend yourself can you, I also asked you a reasonable question about veganism but you can’t give a response to that either, I thought you were here to teach everyone how they should be living the vegan way, but you clearly can’t give answers

Almond milk is shite in comparison to oat milk. Why do people think all vegans drink Almond milk?

I’ve been vegan for 8 years. I think people have this impression of us that we are preachy, just because some are. In my experience over the past 8 years, regardless who I’ve been with someone always makes a negative comment on my food. I don’t preach veganism, I just mind my own business yet in I believe meat eaters are more preachy than vegans. It’s constantly like ‘your food looks disgusting’ or ‘why would you want something that replicates meat?’ (we want the taste not the cruelty. Or it’s them preaching about how vegans are malnourished or lacking nutrients, ‘don’t you miss bacon’. It’s endless drama when I just want to eat in peace.

the thing is, as a vegan, no one would know unless I end up eating around them. Yet we have the stigma of constantly talking about veganism.

I’m a single parent yet raising my son to eat ‘normally’ - I buy and cook meat for him. I believe all people should have a choice and I would never force my beliefs on other people. Yet people believe we’re all the protestors who stand on the street with graphic pop ups, or the people who start arguments at the dinner table. we are not all like that

So you are trying to disprove or discredit the largest study of its kind, carried out over many years by Oxford University?

It seems you may have tried to do that with ChatGPT generated "answers"?

You are correct, I think this demonstrates that not all vegans are preachy and judgey and just like anything one or two annoying people can give everyone a bad name.

My husband and I hosted a family bbq a few years back. The family hadn’t seen each other for many years and it was going to be a great catchup.

So not to exclude a 2nd cousin who’s vegan we extended her an invite. We bought vegan produce and a 2nd set of utensils and cooked on a separate bbq. Never again. You know the joke “ how can you tell whether someone’s a vegan? Because they tell you, again and again……” She managed to alienate almost everyone constantly talking about vegans, vegan produce with a holier than thou attitude. We could have taken it with a pinch of salt if she’d had looked healthy but she didn’t. Grey isn’t a good skin colour. And her vegan mantra was punctuated with the vitamins she took in favour of meat and dairy.

It didn’t ruin the day but she won’t be getting another invite.

No they don't 'like to ignore it' its a common argument they get from idiots trying to be smart. Watch any video where a vegan is trying to have a rational discussion with a fool. It always ends with the last resort excuse of 'plants feel pain too!'. Might as well get a tinfoil hat on and a placard that says 'save the cauliflowers'. Always the last resort that argument

Would you equate the 'suffering' involved in picking an apple to killing a pig in a gas chamber? Of course not!

Because they can. The pool of people we can joke about these days is very small!!

Bingo card filling up. Have we had what about bees yet?

Canine teeth?

And there was me thinking that persuading world governments to reduce the use of fossil fuels by increasing the production of sustainable energy might be a useful way of spending my time.

Oh and another bug bear.

vegan or veggie chicken is NOT chicken
vegan ham is NOT ham

The list goes on. If you object that strongly to eating meat why do you use the words associated with meat?

Straw man argument. Why can't we do both?

I've never heard vegans being picked on more than pescatarians or vegetarians or carnivores for that matter. Depends where you live and what you read and watch.

maybe because the products are designed to fill a taste like the products they are proposed to be? Hence the use of the word "vegan chicken". You know, for people who like the taste of chicken, but can't bear to eat real chicken?

I loved the taste of meat, but I always felt like an hypocrite. 'I love animals, and hate to see them suffering, but it's just a little bit of chicken, lamb, beef'.

I'm not a healthy vegan by any stretch and I love fake meat.

There's 2 vegans at work who never shut up about it and constantly suggest I try their oat milk. Not once have I suggested they try a bit of my (delicious) cows milk or made comments on their food choices. I'm a perfectly happy meat eater and nothing will change my mind about that.

Oh yes, I forgot that one. Give it time. 😉

It is purely managing expectations. In the same way you might order a fake plant, faux fur etc.
Vegans aren’t demanding any terminology, the manufacturers are simply using easy to understand names.
It’s really not a big deal 😆

I’m a lifelong vegetarian and have dabbled with veganism over time. I don’t have a problem with vegans and know I should be more positive about it but this is my issue.

i spent the best part of 35 years having to explain, justify, defend my reasons for being vegetarian. I was constantly attacked, belittled, ridiculed and argued with by friends family and strangers. I am not and have never been someone who promotes vegetarianism or declares my reasons or argues why you should be.i cook meat, I respect all peoples food choices etc this is just mine.

I spent the 80s and 90s and longer struggling with food options in restaurants.

and then suddenly 2017 arrives and so does Veganuary (or whenever it was) and all of a sudden I’m going out of my way to provide vegan food for all the pricks who ridiculed me for not eating meat and now in restaurants I STILL can’t get vegetarian options I now have to ask for vegan with changes such as normal cheese etc! I’m no further on than 1986!

I respect anyone giving up meat for moral/environmental reasons but that’s my frustrated take on it!

Halal (or kosher) establishments usually advertise that fact, and people who are strict observers of their religious dietary requirements tend not to badger the teenager at the counter about the contents of the sandwiches or ingredients of soup or cupcakes - many simply avoid restaurants that are not halal/ kosher.

People with nut allergies (in my experience) tend to avoid the average cafe or bakery too. If your life depended on avoiding nuts, it would be extremely foolish to take your chances eating out or rely on the assurance of very unskilled/ uneducated hirelings.

If you've ever witnessed other people doing what some vegans do in a cafe - the proverbial grilling of the unfortunate teenager/ generally being a pain in the arse - I'll send you a tenner in the post.

Exactly, but some meat eaters get very bothered for some reason.

I wonder if they get disappointed that toad in the hole doesn’t contain a real toad on their Yorkshire pudding?

Because most vegans are inherently intolerant. Polls repeatedly show that most vegans would vote to outlaw meat consumption if they could -- they arent just making a choice for themselves, they would ideally want to impose their views on the whole of society

In a society where (eg) 51% of the population was vegan, the most likely outcome would be a complete ban on meat consumption. And yet vegans feel that their dietary preferences should be indulged and catered to while they are the minority, even though they would not do the same if they were the majority.

I think people indulge vegans (e.g cooking extra specific dishes at dinner parties, etc) out of some misguided idea of kindness, without releasing that this would absolutely not be reciprocated if the shoe were on the other foot

Object to the pigs having to die struggling and screaming in the gas chambers, the vast majority of whom were mutilated as piglets and then spent most of their short lives indoors. Don’t object to the taste, so a product labelled vegan ham means can have similar taste without paying for the cruelty.

And sure now you’ll call me a preachy vegan but it’s just facts to answer your question.