Good day to bury bad news - 20th jan 2025

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Guess what's happening on the 20th jan 2025 ?

Trump's Inauguration Day of course and given the fact all main stream media will be bleating on about it from the week before till the week after, how easy it would be for these events to be missed.

• Manchester duo trial ( close but not quite 16th not 20th). Charges authorised over Manchester Airport incident | The Crown Prosecution Service

• Southport attacker trial. LIVE Southport stabbings murder suspect named as he appears in court - Manchester Evening News

• Mentally ill man who attacked the army officer trial. Kent soldier stabbing: Trial date set as victim leaves hospital - BBC News

• That cheeky little councillor trial who suggested some needed a close shave. Who is Ricky Jones? The ex-Labour councillor who has appeared in court | The Standard.

So keep it simple and ask yourself how all the events above that all occurred at different times all now start at the same time.

How convent for all these things to start on the same day a huge worldwide event. I think its government steered and definitely not unreasonable to think these events have been scheduled then to hide bad news

Say what now?

So you read the very first link from the BBC about spin doctors advising the government at the time it was a good day to bury bad news on the day of 911 terrorist attacks.

Of course they try control the media, any one who suggests other wise is feeble minded

You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to schedule court hearings trials and sittings

how easy it would be for these events to be missed

I think the Southport trial in particular will be very very well covered. I don't think it will be missed at all.

This a lot of people don’t realise that you are either arrested and appear in court or your summonsed to appear in court and if you plead guilty and the people can sentence it straight away they do.

If, however they need reports or some further work to go into the sentencing, then it waits sometimes for a few weeks sometimes for a lot longer

If the person says they’re not guilty, then it’s sent off for a trial.

So you read the very first link from the BBC about spin doctors advising the government at the time it was a good day to bury bad news on the day of 911 terrorist attacks.

Of course they try control the media, any one who suggests other wise is feeble minded

Oh I absolutely believe that governments time their announcements carefully, and part of what they consider will be what else is going on, whether they want to hide bad news while something big is going on, or wait and release good news once a big event has passed. If that was all you were suggesting I'd agree.

And you obviously haven’t met many judges if you think they’re going to put up with their court dates being messed around with by politicians. 😆

but then I think you probably don’t get out much

Do you think the government sets court dates?

Didn't need to read it, I worked in national media.

I think your assessment of 'bad news' is way off here. They don't manipulate run-of-the-mill judicial proceedings to tie in with planned world events.

Since you're so interested, a government might be advised to release a damning report or an unpopular decision on the day a cataclysm grabs attention. A media-savvy government might even plan to release them on a big news day (the Conservatives were more likely to get this right than Labour). Your theory, though? Nah.

You could try watching for announcements of bad news from large corporations on Trump Day. Though I tend to agree it's only likely to work well within the USA.

Who cares about what happens on the first day of a trial? Unless there is a plea change it’s all preliminary guff. The key thing is usually the main witness(es), summing up and verdict and those will all take varying lengths of time given the variation in severity of the offences alleged, the fact one involves co-defendants and the potential for reporting restrictions being raised in one trial.

On the other hand, I do agree with you OP that MSM is too afraid to cover the big issues on 20 January. The world-first debut of my new tinfoil beekeeper-style mask. A basic tinfoil hat is passé now, so March 2020.

Are you really suggesting that we'll all be so glued to the inauguration to notice the trial, verdict and sentence (if guilty) of all 4 of these cases?

Or that the government believes it's worth a punt?

Wow.

Thankfully this AIBU is an easy one to answer objectively. We can reconvene say in mid-Feb and see if the OP has the guts to admit she is wrong, when all the trials will have been referenced in the relevant media!

Two crown court trials need to be held before 6 months from charge date is up, due to custody time limits.

Manchester airport case, charges only just authorised by CPS, this will have been next available court date when charged at point of answering bail (usually around a month later). That’s their first appearance, unlikely to be their trial date if they opt to have one.

Councillor’s trial date was set by the court at the beginning of Sept. Doubt the judge consulted his American calendar before picking the next available date. He had also been remanded at the time, and so was again subject to custody time limits at point trial date was set.

No conspiracies here, just custody time limits and standard waiting times for lower level cases suitable for magistrates court.

Please do come back at the ends of these trials OP and demonstrate how the MSM have covered up reporting of them with an inauguration which is due to take place before they actually end.

Have you ever worked in the criminal justice system? Or the media come to that?

MN has been really fucking odd today.

Yep the swivel-eyed loons are out in force.

Yes but they didn't do it very well
did they?! The fact that the decision to try and bury bad news that day, and the subsequent voicemails about it were all well publicised in the media shows that even if intent is there - the ability isn't! Always amazed that people think our governments are capable of these things - have they seen it in action?!

Has it ever been anything else ?

"Guess what's happening on the 20th jan 2025 ?

• Manchester duo trial ( close but not quite 16th not 20th). Charges authorised over Manchester Airport incident | The Crown Prosecution Service
• Southport attacker trial. LIVE Southport stabbings murder suspect named as he appears in court - Manchester Evening News
• Mentally ill man who attacked the army officer trial. Kent soldier stabbing: Trial date set as victim leaves hospital - BBC News
• That cheeky little councillor trial who suggested some needed a close shave."

In technical terms it would actually be really difficult to manipulate different trials in different courts for a particular date because of all the assorted parties involved when fixing it. But the third week in January is not an odd time for major trials to be listed, because it's long enough after Christmas but enough time before Easter to get a good run at it.
But also, they aren't all standing trial on 20th Jan.
(1) Manchester duo - 16th not 20th January. Listed for an initial hearing, this isn't a trial date.
(2) Southport man - was listed in August for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.
(3) Army officer - was listed in August for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.
(4) Ricky Jones - was listed in September for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.

So four cases. Three were listed for 20th January well before Trump won. The fourth and last was listed after Trump won, for a first appearance. As there will be active criminal proceedings, there can't be much comment anyway on the first, only factual reporting of events.

Pretty dire conspiracy theory, TBH.

This is well known and also 22+ years ago. It was very controversial at the time too. But “spin doctors” aren’t normally employed by courts diarists

If these were 1 day trials, then perhaps it would look fishy - but they'll span multiple weeks. Day 1 (on Jan 20) will not be a big day in the context of the what comes out at trial.

Yes. It used to be a fun, informative and interesting place for women to connect. Now it's simply just another forum for tinfoil-hatted weirdos to post about their current obsessions. No offence, like.

The government timing an announcement (relatively simple and entirely within its control) is entirely different to setting the date for a potentially long and complex trial. And you’ve cited a mix of trial dates and hearings, which are different things, all around the country. You are being daft.

Manchester Airport case: there is a court appearance on the 16th. It's not the trial.

Southport trial: due to start on 20th. Expected to last 4 weeks.

Kent soldier stabbing: trial due to start on the 20th. Expected to last 3 weeks.

Labour councillor trial: due to start on the 20th. Expected to last 5 days.

It's not much of a conspiracy theory when you introduce a few facts.

It is rare that the conspiracy nut jobs come up with a theory that is so easily (and quickly) refutable. Well done