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Zippedydodah · 2024-12-30T12:11:59+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles]] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles]]]] I cannot believe that this lad is going to spend a year in prison- yes, I know that’s the law there, he should have known better etc, etc I hope that the girl’s mother is ashamed of her actions. I don’t want to think what the impact will be on Marcus 😥

PinkTonic · 02/01/2025 09:09

Walkden · 02/01/2025 08:28

"Unfortunately it serms that to the authorities in Dubai, and the court of public opinion, there is no difference between a 40 year old having sex with a 12 year old and a 18 year old having sex with a 17y 11m year old"

A ridiculous example. " Nuance " exists clearly but there is "nuance" in that Dubai is a far less liberal society with very different societal norms and enforced the laws differently for their very own reasons.

It’s an excellent example, whereas your interpretation of nuance is the opposite of nuanced.

Alcohol is forbidden in UAE and yet there are bars and liquor stores and you won’t be prosecuted for buying or drinking it in hotels or private houses. In this sense the law is theoretical. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect that the AOC law as applied to tourists would be similar. In this case the girl was only under the age of consent for the duration of her holiday and was quite clearly a willing participant in the relationship.

DearDenimEagle · 02/01/2025 10:09

And nothing would have been done if the mother had not complained to the authorities. As she felt her daughter was a victim..or claimed such…and the law was broken, the authorities had to act .

It’s not just Dubai that has an 18 yr age of consent. However in many parts of the world it’s as low as 12 and 13 . How would you all react if it was an 18 yr old and 13 yr old where it’s legal?
Until there’s a world parliament with the same laws for everyone, there are going to be cases that upset, but right now, it’s beware of the law wherever you travel.
The information is out there now more than it ever was.

Dubai has amended laws for tourists, by allowing sex outside marriage for over 18s. This is a part of the world ( not necessarily Dubai itself but the wider area) where adulterers and young unmarried could be put to death for having sex outside marriage.

I think Dubai court also took the nearness of age into consideration because the early headlines said he faced 20 years in jail. So they were lenient at one year.

I still think and hope they might let him go early.

UnstableEquilibrium · 02/01/2025 10:09

JHound · 01/01/2025 21:18

The other thing that is sad and disturbing is that it could have been seen as a misdemeanour (which imo is the correct way of looking at it) but due to errors in the original file it was treated more seriously. I get him not wanting to risk a long sentence by appealing but imo it was worth the risk.

Although it’s easy for me to take that stance.

It’s also EXTREMELY weird that the fact he was originally recorded as Pakistani means it was treated more seriously. Why would that be relevant.

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I hadn't seen the thing you said about Pakistan before, but it's very common for Muslim countries to set stricter legal standards for Muslims/people born into Muslim families, so that would probably be the issue rather than nationality per se.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 02/01/2025 10:18

Many posters seem to think that the mother of the girl vindictively reported this due to the boy being black, thereby being racist.
We've no way of knowing if this was a factor. Is this an assumption people are making?

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For me it's this simple. If I was this woman and my daughter had done this (and provided it was consensual) I would likely give her the Mother of All Bollockings for taking such a stupid risk with the law in such an oppressive crap hole. Their faith gives it a different slant but wouldn't change my reaction as in I wouldn't feel the need to report.

Because what exactly was she looking to achieve by doing so on their return home? Maybe she's a social warrior and spends her days in the UK informing her fellow citizens or maybe it's just a holiday thing for her. But I don't believe for a minute it's because she feels angry a law was broken in a foreign country.

But other than a need to "punish" the boy for something her daughter happily took part in I can't see any reason which justifies her actions.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 02/01/2025 10:21

Informing on her fellow citizens, rather

DearDenimEagle · 02/01/2025 10:22

I think that was the motive. Strict family ..strict enough that the young ones felt the need to be secretive and sneak about. His parents knew. Hers were not to find out. Mother did find out and was enraged. I think it’s a religious thing for her, too but maybe I misread.

DearDenimEagle · 02/01/2025 10:25

Using the Dubai law to punish the person who disrespected their family, basically.

DearDenimEagle · 02/01/2025 10:29

UnstableEquilibrium · 02/01/2025 10:09

I hadn't seen the thing you said about Pakistan before, but it's very common for Muslim countries to set stricter legal standards for Muslims/people born into Muslim families, so that would probably be the issue rather than nationality per se.

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The laws were adapted for tourists, taking into account their not being Muslim.
If they thought the transgressor was Muslim at first, that would explain a higher level of danger to the boy. They are going to hold Muslims to account by their own laws, not the laws for non Muslims

Calliecarpa · 02/01/2025 10:32

I wish posters would stop trotting out this 'Oh but how would you feel if it was an 18-year-old and a 13-year-old in a place where having sex at 13 is legal?' as though this is some terribly clever and original gotcha. The actual analogy would be a 13-year-old and a 14-year-old with only a few weeks' or months' age difference. There's a massive gulf in physical and emotional maturity between an 18-year-old and a 13-year-old. There wasn't between Marcus, a young man of 18, and his partner, a young woman of almost 18. If Marcus had been in his 20s having sex with someone who wasn't yet 18, I'd feel very differently about it, but he wasn't.

NewGreenDuck · 02/01/2025 10:36

I wish people would stop trotting out that in the UK no crime would have taken place. We know that, but it's not the UK, is it?

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 02/01/2025 10:45

We are too soft in this country. Kids aren't taught that actions can have consequences.

Livingtothefull · 02/01/2025 10:49

'Its a safe place to holiday if you follow the rules'.

Well provided you aren't raped or sexually assaulted there, in which case you are likely to be facing prosecution for extra-marital sex. As many women in Dubai have been.

Livingtothefull · 02/01/2025 10:55

Just to stress: I am not claiming that is what happened in this case as there is no evidence this was not consensual.

Livingtothefull · 02/01/2025 11:00

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 02/01/2025 10:45

We are too soft in this country. Kids aren't taught that actions can have consequences.

Well maybe but in this case the consequences to the young person are widely out of proportion to any supposed 'offence'. So I think on balance I prefer this country's way of doing things.....though accept that other countries view things differently.

I certainly wouldn't be taking any teenaged children on holiday to Dubai though.

TwistedWonder · 02/01/2025 11:03

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 02/01/2025 10:45

We are too soft in this country. Kids aren't taught that actions can have consequences.

Yep teenagers having sex - what an absolutely new phenomenon

Dotjones · 02/01/2025 11:29

I don't have any sympathy for a man who rapes a child. A year isn't much of a sentence anyway.

Sure, in the UK it wouldn't have been a crime. But it wasn't in the UK. If a Nigerian man came to the UK and had sex with a 13 year old girl, people would rightly call it rape and child abuse. Even if she was willing, she is deemed too young to consent. The man can't use the fact that the age of consent is lower in his home country and therefore the UK authorities should allow him to have sex with a 13 year old here.

In the UK, the UK laws apply. In other countries, different laws apply. It's arrogant and racist to assume that the UK gets every law right every time and that if laws are different in other countries they must be wrong.

Simonjt · 02/01/2025 11:34

Dotjones · 02/01/2025 11:29

I don't have any sympathy for a man who rapes a child. A year isn't much of a sentence anyway.

Sure, in the UK it wouldn't have been a crime. But it wasn't in the UK. If a Nigerian man came to the UK and had sex with a 13 year old girl, people would rightly call it rape and child abuse. Even if she was willing, she is deemed too young to consent. The man can't use the fact that the age of consent is lower in his home country and therefore the UK authorities should allow him to have sex with a 13 year old here.

In the UK, the UK laws apply. In other countries, different laws apply. It's arrogant and racist to assume that the UK gets every law right every time and that if laws are different in other countries they must be wrong.

Why would a Nigerian claim that the age of consent in Nigeria is lower than the UK??

Ihavenoclu · 02/01/2025 11:36

Dotjones · 02/01/2025 11:29

I don't have any sympathy for a man who rapes a child. A year isn't much of a sentence anyway.

Sure, in the UK it wouldn't have been a crime. But it wasn't in the UK. If a Nigerian man came to the UK and had sex with a 13 year old girl, people would rightly call it rape and child abuse. Even if she was willing, she is deemed too young to consent. The man can't use the fact that the age of consent is lower in his home country and therefore the UK authorities should allow him to have sex with a 13 year old here.

In the UK, the UK laws apply. In other countries, different laws apply. It's arrogant and racist to assume that the UK gets every law right every time and that if laws are different in other countries they must be wrong.

Oh come off it!!! No man has raped a child!!!!! Two teenagers of the same age, fell in love and had sex. They wanted to continue this relationship back in the UK. Girl is sikh and so when her mum found out that she had sec with a black boy and wanted to keep seeing him all hell broke lose.

Rather than control her own child, she is doing what she can to damage control the reputation of her daughter in her local community, to avoid being ostracised due to 'shame' and 'dishonour'.

This comes at the expense of a young black boy's life. I can only hope that karma catches up with this vile witch and the poor boy gets sent home to his family and begin to heal from his trauma.

NewGreenDuck · 02/01/2025 11:39

They didn't fall in love. If they met in Dubai they could only have known one another a few days. It's all of the nonsense about this that drives me crazy.

HarrietPierce · 02/01/2025 11:39

Dotjones · Today 11:29
"I don't have any sympathy for a man who rapes a child. A year isn't much of a sentence anyway."

Don't be ridiculous. Two teenagers , a few months apart in age had consensual sex.

Sunworshiper · 02/01/2025 11:41

He was guilty, throw away the key. Stop apologising for a rapist.

Calliecarpa · 02/01/2025 11:42

Oh look, a few posts after I express exasperation about the endless trotting out of the 'but but but but but what if someone came to the UK and had sex with a 13-year-old' line in this thread, yet another person comes along and does it. 🙄

yorktown · 02/01/2025 11:46

Dotjones · 02/01/2025 11:29

I don't have any sympathy for a man who rapes a child. A year isn't much of a sentence anyway.

Sure, in the UK it wouldn't have been a crime. But it wasn't in the UK. If a Nigerian man came to the UK and had sex with a 13 year old girl, people would rightly call it rape and child abuse. Even if she was willing, she is deemed too young to consent. The man can't use the fact that the age of consent is lower in his home country and therefore the UK authorities should allow him to have sex with a 13 year old here.

In the UK, the UK laws apply. In other countries, different laws apply. It's arrogant and racist to assume that the UK gets every law right every time and that if laws are different in other countries they must be wrong.

Do you think that a 17 year old is too young to consent to sex?

Calliecarpa · 02/01/2025 11:47

Sunworshiper · 02/01/2025 11:41

He was guilty, throw away the key. Stop apologising for a rapist.

Which rapist are you claiming people here are apologising for?

PinkTonic · 02/01/2025 11:50

NewGreenDuck · 02/01/2025 11:39

They didn't fall in love. If they met in Dubai they could only have known one another a few days. It's all of the nonsense about this that drives me crazy.

whats driving me crazy is all the loons coming along going on about raping minors and suchlike when there was no age disparity. I’d be extremely concerned about a 17 year old daughter having sex within days of meeting a boy as it happens, but that would be a conversation for us to have. There’s no justification for destroying his life when she was an equal participant.