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To think that there was a sort of peak Christmas in the 90s and that really nobody wants the huge event?

94 replies

AlertCat · 25/12/2024 21:06

I keep seeing threads about how one person in a household has tried really hard to make the day special, with the right food and drink, presents and games and company, only to find their efforts under-appreciated by the others in their family.
Here, I normally try and create that perfect day- despite talking loudly about how it’s unnecessary! But this year I have felt so tired all autumn, I haven’t had the heart to put in the usual level of effort. And it’s been lovely: we have had a chilled day with a long dog walk, a present swap, and then everyone doing their own thing and cooking bits and pieces- we ate late but it was a delicious combined effort! There’s been more than enough food, although I felt guilty when I did the shopping that I did more convenience stuff than usual, but have been glad of that today. In fact there are enough leftovers to eat for about three days!

Importantly for me, I haven’t felt resentful or overloaded with jobs and work. It’s been a nice level of pleasant pottering in the kitchen, for really good results on the plate!

So my question is to ask, AIBU to think that most of us don’t really want wall to wall perfect food, with special stuffing and bread sauce and three types of potato; that we don’t all need all the presents on our lists, and that a relaxed day with just nice, easy food and company is actually perfect? Less is more at Christmas?

OP posts:
biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 12:57

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/12/2024 12:49

We couldn't afford to. And if you think of the origins of Christmas, gathering and feasting in the dark season, it never would have been an option to live like that all year. It was a rare and special tribal celebration to mark the death of one year and beginning of another. Quiet and low key? You can do that all year.

I do agree that Christmas starts too early and is therefore too drawn out, but that is not remedied by staying quietly at home and not celebrating the day itself with family and friends.

I just think that the reality of Christmas can rarely live up to the expectations people have in their heads, and that's what leads to disappointment, tears and arguments. I also don't think that the origins of a mid-winter feast are particularly relevant to how we celebrate today.

I mean, if this big midwinter feast with extended family, food and alcohol is so wonderful, why does it inevitably seem to end in tears and stress and upset for so many people? Confused

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/12/2024 13:04

biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 12:57

I just think that the reality of Christmas can rarely live up to the expectations people have in their heads, and that's what leads to disappointment, tears and arguments. I also don't think that the origins of a mid-winter feast are particularly relevant to how we celebrate today.

I mean, if this big midwinter feast with extended family, food and alcohol is so wonderful, why does it inevitably seem to end in tears and stress and upset for so many people? Confused

Same as weddings, NYE, babies, birthdays, moving house, holidays - you name it, big events come with emotions and often get messy. For me at least it doesn't mean life would be better if we all just stayed home and avoided it all. And didn't open the front door when someone rings.

I know many on Mumsnet don't share that view Grin

Needmorelego · 26/12/2024 13:04

@biscuitsandbooks because adults don't talk to each other about what they'd like to do/eat/gift.

biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 13:06

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/12/2024 13:04

Same as weddings, NYE, babies, birthdays, moving house, holidays - you name it, big events come with emotions and often get messy. For me at least it doesn't mean life would be better if we all just stayed home and avoided it all. And didn't open the front door when someone rings.

I know many on Mumsnet don't share that view Grin

But you're describing two massive extremes - all out "events" with emotions and mess, vs. shutting yourself off from the world. Having a low-stress Christmas doesn't mean avoiding everything and never opening your door.

biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 13:07

Needmorelego · 26/12/2024 13:04

@biscuitsandbooks because adults don't talk to each other about what they'd like to do/eat/gift.

I mean, I've read threads where people have communicated and it still seems to end in tears. Probably because it's almost impossible to please everyone - then add lots of of people in a small space, plus alcohol, and emotions just seem to spill over.

NordicwithTeen · 26/12/2024 13:10

IME men all hate Christmas, don't buy gifts (or thoughtful ones if they do), sulk but expect to be treated like Kings, mountains of food and do nothing to help.

I think this might be at least part of it...

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/12/2024 13:17

biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 13:06

But you're describing two massive extremes - all out "events" with emotions and mess, vs. shutting yourself off from the world. Having a low-stress Christmas doesn't mean avoiding everything and never opening your door.

But you are only focusing on "big Christmases" that end in tears, and suggesting that not only is the best way to avoid this a "small Christmas", but also that relaxing at home with your immediate family "gives you more". I simply don't agree that the day you describe gives you more, I think it gives you less than the average imperfect but sociable Christmas.

WhatNoRaisins · 26/12/2024 13:18

This is why I am such a big believer in finding times throughout the year for connection and spending meaningful time together and maybe even a bit of feasting rather than pinning all my hopes for this on a single day. This way of having a frantic build up to a single day where you "go all out" is fundamentally unhealthy and it's no wonder it goes wrong or falls flat so often.

If Christmas was just one of several potential events with others then it wouldn't be such a big deal which set of grandparents gets this year's Christmas Day for example. It wouldn't have to be perfectly magical and I think we'd all be a lot less stressed and disappointed in it.

maddening · 26/12/2024 13:20

I think American films in the 90s give that impression and as you see them again and again it solidifies that perception

TooManyChristmasCards · 26/12/2024 13:25

Yes and No

I love big Christmases, big celebration, loads of presents and events

No way in hell would I spend MY Christmas in the kitchen. Perfect food can be party food, bought and quickly reheated or we go out for lunch. I like eating out slightly less because I prefer not having a schedule for the day, and I don't want to guess when everyone will feel like sitting down for some kind of meal, if at all.

If someone in the family likes to see themselves as a Gordon Ramsay and is delighted to slave in the kitchen for hours, I am grateful and I admire, but I don't believe it's someone's job and responsibility to give up their own day for everyone else, unless they genuinely love doing it.

rocky5001 · 26/12/2024 13:49

I wonder whether a related factor here is the greater number of people in split or blended families than in previous generations. Having started getting serious in a new relationship after long term marriage with kids ended, the question of how to organise Christmas day and exactly who spends it with whom does seem more complicated to me now.

I'd prefer the idea of a week or even 3-4 days of roughly equal importance during which people can get to, exchange presents and eat with the various people closest to them in whatever order, rather than the overarching importance of one be-all-and-end-all day.

AlertCat · 26/12/2024 13:55

maddening · 26/12/2024 13:20

I think American films in the 90s give that impression and as you see them again and again it solidifies that perception

I dunno. My mum always did the whole big Christmas but after we kids left home she and my dad spent a few christmases on their own (their choice) and just had smoked salmon and picnic food, and when we did/do go back home for it, it’s a lot smaller and they aren’t into seeing all the neighbours they used to see, or have the Christmas Eve party, the whole event seems smaller because they’re ‘over’ the big one compared to the 90s. And don’t want to do the big family Boxing Day they used to love either- not that the wider family want to gather in the same scale as previous years either.

Although people seem to be more performative now, (decorations up in November, elf on a shelf, Christmas Eve boxes) the day or the celebration itself seems to have shrunk in scale since the 90s, to me. As I said before, maybe it’s just my circle or even my part of the country.

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biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 13:59

@TheYearOfSmallThings I haven't said either of those things Confused

I have no issue with other people having a big Christmas, I just have to wonder whether it's all worth it if it ends up in tears every year, that's all.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/12/2024 14:09

biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 13:59

@TheYearOfSmallThings I haven't said either of those things Confused

I have no issue with other people having a big Christmas, I just have to wonder whether it's all worth it if it ends up in tears every year, that's all.

Sorry! I thought it was you who said:

"Doesn’t a small Christmas give you so
much more?"

Which is what I was disagreeing with, but it wasn't you at all! Ignore me

biscuitsandbooks · 26/12/2024 14:10

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/12/2024 14:09

Sorry! I thought it was you who said:

"Doesn’t a small Christmas give you so
much more?"

Which is what I was disagreeing with, but it wasn't you at all! Ignore me

Haha, not to worry!

Wisenotboring · 26/12/2024 14:31

Juliagreeneyes · 26/12/2024 00:29

I agree OP that late 80s-early 2000s was “peak Christmas”, largely because there was a specific and quite widespread Boomer kind of Christmas that was both more elaborate and planned and fancier than the pre-Boomer Christmas, and that has kind of gone out of fashion or seems too much these days. I mean we do loads for Christmas these days, collectively, but somehow seem to fit in less stuff for some reason.

Like - a Christmas Day for my grandparents (pre-Boomer) went something like: get up late morning, put turkey on, couple of presents, menfolk nip to pub for an hour when it was open, Christmas lunch (two courses: dry turkey (frozen from the local butcher), sprouts/potatoes/stuffing and gravy, followed by Christmas pudding and cream, Queen’s speech, then a long rest of the day in front of Morecambe & Wise and Tommy Cooper drinking whisky, eating leftovers and cheap cheese on Jacob’s cream crackers and smoking like chimneys until all rolling off to bed still drunk.

Boomer Christmas of my 80s/90s childhood went something like this:

All kids up at crack of dawn, stockings, eat chocolate, full breakfast of croissants etc., showers & dressed in party clothes/Sunday best, then tree presents (loads); clear up wrapping paper, put turkey in oven, then to church at ten, complete with each child bringing one of their new toys to show at church. Mince pie and tea afterwards in church hall.

Then back to put roast potatoes on at 11:30, rearrange sofas for guests, family guests start arriving at 11:30am, champagne at 12:30, dinner with at least three courses starting at 1pm (starter, which got more elaborate over the years from melon or soup to smoked salmon mousses and so on); then full Christmas roast including three types of potatoes, fresh farm-reared free range turkey for twelve, pigs in blankets, plus carrots/sprouts/broccoli/sweetcorn/roasted butternut squash/home made bread sauce/home made cranberry sauce. Then Christmas pudding with cream, brandy butter and another dessert for those who don’t like Xmas pud, followed by Stilton and biscuits for cheese, liqueur chocolates and coffee while watching the Queen and Christmas Top of the Pops.

Then the big Christmas film on BBC1 at 5-7pm while kids play with new toys. Parents clear up. Then everyone piles into car to drive round 2-3 different relatives’ houses for full Christmas evening buffets, Christmas cake, and drinks at each house, party games, charades, Trivial Pursuit and board games until midnight or so.

This all seemed quite normal and what everyone seemed to do for Christmas in our rather traditional and homogenous town.

I mean though - it was fucking mad in retrospect. Not only was everyone kind of drink-driving around all evening, and going out to church leaving the turkey in the oven (!) but I have no idea how my parents fitted it all in. It must have been like a military operation. And who wants to go out driving around to auntie so-and-so’s and grandma’s all evening after all that? I guess people often lived closer to relatives though in those days - whereas I now live half the country away from my family.

My Christmas now - is not actually that dissimilar from my pre-boomer grandparents (only with less smoking, pub, whisky and Morecambe and Wise, and with far better food). We get up late morning, kid opens stocking on our bed, lazy brunch of pastries or eggs on sourdough, open some tree presents, then we have a roast (slimmed down to just a really good free range meat, roasties, lots of veg but no sprouts, home made gravy), then a non-Christmas pudding dessert). In the evening we put on some Christmas music and watch a bit of TV, have some leftovers, a glass of wine or two and then go to bed. We’re exhausted enough by that - no idea how we’d manage church or an evening buffet!

Long post, but I definitely agree that people don’t tend to do the full Boomer mad Christmas Day as much any more. Fewer people going to church, no-one would leave the oven on these days while they’re out, it’s not fashionable right now to dress up much, people don’t tend to want to overeat or drink as much as they did, and often don’t live that near all their relatives, or want to put on a big evening buffet (or go to one). Drink-driving is socially very unacceptable for most people these days. TV is rubbish as well now at Christmas - no big Christmas film that everyone wants to see; no Christmas Top of the Pops to watch for the Christmas number 1 with bated breath. The big Boomer Christmas seems on the way out to me.

I agreee with the drink drink driving but we always put our turkey in while.we are at church as do lots of our friends!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 26/12/2024 16:58

I think some are real chef foodie types who love to cook from scratch and challenge themselves year Round so enjoy doing this at Xmas too. This is not me at all.

Juliagreeneyes · 26/12/2024 19:40

Wisenotboring · 26/12/2024 14:31

I agreee with the drink drink driving but we always put our turkey in while.we are at church as do lots of our friends!

A work colleague of mine did this and his house genuinely went on fire on Christmas morning. He spent eight months living in rented accommodation with two small kids arguing with insurers about getting it rebuilt (the downstairs was partially burnt out).

We never leave any appliances (except fridge-freezer) running while out because we have an indoor cat and I can’t bear the thought of her not being able to get out in the case of a fire. But after hearing my colleague’s story there’s no way I’d leave the oven on when out, even for the shortest time!!

Wisenotboring · 27/12/2024 21:29

Juliagreeneyes · 26/12/2024 19:40

A work colleague of mine did this and his house genuinely went on fire on Christmas morning. He spent eight months living in rented accommodation with two small kids arguing with insurers about getting it rebuilt (the downstairs was partially burnt out).

We never leave any appliances (except fridge-freezer) running while out because we have an indoor cat and I can’t bear the thought of her not being able to get out in the case of a fire. But after hearing my colleague’s story there’s no way I’d leave the oven on when out, even for the shortest time!!

That's definitely something to think about. I never leave the washing machine or dishwasher on but never thought the oven was a problem. Thanks for the heads up

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