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To think a 3:20 finish is absurd?

678 replies

Itsr · 23/12/2024 19:28

It’s mostly mums at the school gates. Because the 3:20 finish worked well at a time when most women stayed at home.

now most women work, which means two parents working, why does school finish ar 3:20?! Yes I know there are after school classes etc but some don’t go on for too long and they also cost.

what actually is the reason why the school day isn’t aligned with a work day (like it is with most private schools!)

OP posts:
80smonster · 23/12/2024 21:04

BarbaraHoward · 23/12/2024 21:01

Paying for wraparound care would be a fraction of the cost of private schooling. Hmm

Yes, I did point that out.

MrsSunshine2b · 23/12/2024 21:04

Because they are there to claim their right to education, not to get them out from under your feet so you can work.

HomeAgainPlease · 23/12/2024 21:05

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/12/2024 19:52

Because they have more money to pay more teachers. My BIL works in a private school (as have I in the past). He has longer days but more free periods within the day.

The state sector already can't find enough teachers to cover the current school hours.

Also the children have much longer breaks, loads more outdoor activity to break up the sitting down learning. They get decent cooked meals twice a day in most private schools to keep them going as well.

KIlliePieMyOhMy · 23/12/2024 21:05

My secondary changed from finishing at 3.50pm to 3.20pm in 1983

ilovesooty · 23/12/2024 21:05

CheekyHobson · 23/12/2024 20:59

How weird, I know a number of teachers (including my mother, who I lived with for 20 years) and have had an entirely different experience to you. What was it that you do again?

Edited

I doubt if she's going to tell you.

Italiandreams · 23/12/2024 21:06

TouchoftheTism · 23/12/2024 20:42

whoa whoa whoa teachers already work till 5 and beyond. So they may as well teach kids. Perhaps give the kids a 2 hour lunch and teachers can do prep work then.

But the work they do after the kids have gone can’t be done at the same time as teaching! That’s why they do it after school. Also I don’t stay in the building every night until 5 as I actually have my own children to collect. They are in the wrap around care I pay for, but I still have to leave early enough to collect them from it. My two hours ( or more) work is usually done when they are in bed.

CheekyHobson · 23/12/2024 21:07

ilovesooty · 23/12/2024 21:05

I doubt if she's going to tell you.

I know, I'm just needling her because people who can dish it out but not take it annoy me.

Margorett · 23/12/2024 21:07

craigth162 · 23/12/2024 19:29

Because school is to educate and is not childcare?

Exactly

MrsSunshine2b · 23/12/2024 21:07

Itsr · 23/12/2024 19:48

People saying it’s a long day for kids and teachers need time after 3:20… how does the private system manage then?!

For starters they have about double the staff-child ratio and the funds to pay extra staff to manage homework clubs. Add to that that in most of them, every child has been selected for academic prowess and good behaviour, and that they can throw a disruptive child out at any point, and you have a very different type of school day.

Boohoo76 · 23/12/2024 21:10

Floralnomad · 23/12/2024 19:40

Private schools don’t align with the normal working day , it finished at 3:30 when mine were that young .

6pm at my DC’s private school. Included in the fees.

Edenmum2 · 23/12/2024 21:11

You want your kids to be stuck in school for 8 hours a day? Would you have enjoyed that?

Sunshinemom · 23/12/2024 21:11

Whaleandsnail6 · 23/12/2024 19:30

Are you saying you think it should end at say 5pm? Because that would be a long day for younger children in primary school.

Also teachers dont finish their day at 3.20pm. ending the school day later would make teachers day too long with homework marking and lesson planning after 5pm

Let me guess, you’re a teacher!

CheekyHobson · 23/12/2024 21:12

BarbaraHoward · 23/12/2024 21:01

Paying for wraparound care would be a fraction of the cost of private schooling. Hmm

So obviously true it's hard to believe the OP can't grasp this. Also, love the username.

ThreeImaginaryBoys · 23/12/2024 21:12

Oh do troll off @TouchoftheTism

I have no idea if you have kids but, if you do, I'd be happy to teach them to be better informed than their parent.

MrsSunshine2b · 23/12/2024 21:12

Boohoo76 · 23/12/2024 21:10

6pm at my DC’s private school. Included in the fees.

I very much doubt they were in taught lessons until 6pm.

It's wraparound care, covered by the fees.

State education does not include wraparound care because it's providing free education, not free childcare.

Candyfloss99 · 23/12/2024 21:13

School is not your childcare. The world does not revolve round you. People work all different hours.

TouchoftheTism · 23/12/2024 21:13

Edenmum2 · 23/12/2024 21:11

You want your kids to be stuck in school for 8 hours a day? Would you have enjoyed that?

Theres plenty in breakfast and after school clubs so at school for 10 hours. I agree thats too long but an 8 hour day would benefit parents loads.

arcticpandas · 23/12/2024 21:13

Foxesandsquirrels · 23/12/2024 20:54

England has some of the longest school days in Europe. You're mistaking childcare for school

France: 8:30-16:30 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday for primary.

Startinganew32 · 23/12/2024 21:13

Itsr · 23/12/2024 19:55

@TheFairyCaravan it must be a day school then as I don’t know any private boarding that finish by then.

Wtf well if they’re boarding you’re not picking them up are you? Are you claiming they actually have lessons until 6? At primary school age? Because they don’t. Also have you heard of a thing called after school club?

Drfosters · 23/12/2024 21:13

Private juniors normally finish at that time and secondary school about 4pm. Why do you think private schools work until much later?

most schools ahead before and after school clubs these days. I never had a problem with picking them up 5-6pm.

FenellaFeldman · 23/12/2024 21:14

arcticpandas · 23/12/2024 21:13

France: 8:30-16:30 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday for primary.

What do they do on Wednesday?

Cooriedoon · 23/12/2024 21:15

It's the cost of living really. None of us should have to work all hours out whole life. Ideally life would be affordable with 2 parents working 0.75 of a full time week or similar. Reducing hours a bit (both parents) should be doable for a few years of your adult life.
It's so unfortunate that people have a lot less family help these days due to moving or timing or just having crap families.
I've seen lots of posts on here from women saying they have no intention of doing childcare when older and I totally get that. Can't say I'd be too keen myself but then I would likely be much older than my parents were (timing!).
I don't know the answer, seems it's still women having to do it all. But the answer certainly is not to instutionilise our children.

BarbaraHoward · 23/12/2024 21:18

CheekyHobson · 23/12/2024 21:12

So obviously true it's hard to believe the OP can't grasp this. Also, love the username.

Nothing beats a great teacher. Wink

cardibach · 23/12/2024 21:19

theeyeofdoe · 23/12/2024 20:52

No, it’s usually lessons until 4/4.30. But they have more sports built into the day.

I’ve taught in two and have friends in several others. It varies. But anything beyond curriculum hours (usually the same lessons but longer breaks) is clubs. Sometimes charged extra for, sometimes compulsory and included in the fees.

crackofdoom · 23/12/2024 21:19

famboyant · 23/12/2024 20:56

Do you know what in loco parentis means? They absolutely should provide the option given that in a world where many families need two incomes to survive it is almost completely impossible to manage with the standard school day. My kids' primary school (middle of nowhere countryside) doesn't offer wraparound care because "there isn't the demand". It's total chicken and egg. As a result, I know dozens of women who can't get jobs because they can't get childcare, and round it goes. It is absolutely ludicrous to chant "schools aren't childcare" when it entirely misses the point that schools should be an essential element of providing childcare. It's a primitively rigid and flawed way of thinking. If we want proper equality at all for millions of women around the country, schools need to be a part of it and need to start thinking of themselves as childcare.

Or there needs to be a proper discussion about this, at a societal level. If the government wants to solve our current productivity crisis, get large numbers of women out of economic inactivity, ensure the birthrate doesn't plummet to South Korea- style levels and solve the looming agei g demographic crisis without aggravating the far right by importing increasing numbers of immigrants, then we need a proper joined up childcare system. Rather than mothers desperately running themselves ragged trying to plug the gaps in a system that doesn't work.

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