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To not let my sister bring her own meat on Christmas day!

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FelizNavidadAmiga · 20/12/2024 21:33

First off, we are a strictly vegan household for moral reasons. I invited my sister for Christmas lunch as she is recently divorced and has nowhere else to go. I usually put on a magnificent spread with roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc. My sister has just sent me a message saying she's going to bring her own chicken to cook. AIBU to say no way! I don't want chicken cooking in my nice clean vegan oven! Plus the smell makes me feel ill 🤢 I don't want to upset her as she's very sensitive at the moment but surely she can do without chicken for 1 day.

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Hotflushesandchilblains · 21/12/2024 17:40

Just tell her that you dont allow meat in the house. But there is plenty of food and perhaps she can keep the chicken for another day.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:41

Inkyblue123 · 21/12/2024 16:48

She can bring a packed lunch and eat it in the car

Aren't you lovely! Hostess with the mostest, not.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:45

It really doesn’t, @Matildahoney. As many people have explained many times on this thread - and as I think the vast majority of people know anyway - this isn’t an accurate comparison. Vegans can only eat vegan food. Meat eaters, unless they are literal cave dwellers, are not restricted to eating only meat. It’s just one part of their diet.

Meat eaters mostly also eat fish. Do you expect OP to provide a fish course as well, just because there are guests who eat it? Does she have to offer a cheeseboard as well as a pudding, just because her guests eat cheese? What about a fruit salad as well - after all, they eat fruit, don’t they?

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 21/12/2024 17:46

RampantIvy · 21/12/2024 17:22

Given that most vegan food (i.e. the crap made to look and/or taste like meat/fish), is made by processes that fuck the planet, unless you do not eat such crap, a vegan stance is disingenuous.

@CyranoDeBergerQuack Most vegan food is not fake meat. Most vegan dishes are made with vegetables, tofu, nuts, grains, pulses, pasta etc.

CyranoDeBergerQuack You clearly know nothing about vegan food or vegan cooking.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:46

FearOfTheDucks · 21/12/2024 17:38

I think your meal sounds nice, and as a vegetarian I wouldn't want people cooking meat using my oven trays or utensils.

That said I wouldn't have a problem with someone bringing meat they'd cooked at home and eating it, if they didn't like what I had planned.

She could bring her own oven trays and utensils. She could cook the chicken in a roasting bag and there would be little to no chance of it 'contaminating' anything of the OP's.

I suppose she would also have to bring her own plate!!!

Though I guess if she finds out her Dsis has been complaining about her on the internet, she may never want to darken her door again!

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:46

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:34

Just another example of your rudeness.

No skin off mine either actually.

How am I being rude?

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:48

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:45

It really doesn’t, @Matildahoney. As many people have explained many times on this thread - and as I think the vast majority of people know anyway - this isn’t an accurate comparison. Vegans can only eat vegan food. Meat eaters, unless they are literal cave dwellers, are not restricted to eating only meat. It’s just one part of their diet.

Meat eaters mostly also eat fish. Do you expect OP to provide a fish course as well, just because there are guests who eat it? Does she have to offer a cheeseboard as well as a pudding, just because her guests eat cheese? What about a fruit salad as well - after all, they eat fruit, don’t they?

Edited

No, because you are misrepresenting her sister's single request - to bring chicken for herself.

You're making shit up now.

Vegans can eat any food. They choose not to.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:48

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:46

How am I being rude?

You think your post was courteous and polite?

Lifestooshort71 · 21/12/2024 17:50

Most vegan food is not fake meat. Most vegan dishes are made with vegetables, tofu, nuts, grains, pulses, pasta etc.
My sibling became fully vegan about 6 years ago in their 70s and since then has had half their colon and appendix removed (impacted faeces) and, a year later, gall bladder removed. Doc said some digestive systems just can't cope with 'tofu, nuts, grains and pulses' all the time.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:50

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:31

It's being a tit of a host to insist a guest eats food they don't want to, or stays at home fgs!!! Especially as it's Christmas Day when people like to eat nice food in good company!

It isn’t!! If someone invited you around for a curry, would you say, “I’ll come over, but I shan’t be eating that - make me pasta instead”? Or would you see that as the rudeness it is?

An invitation is just that. It doesn’t have to be accepted. You can’t say “I’ll accept, but only on my terms”. THAT is being a tit.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:51

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:48

You think your post was courteous and polite?

I think I told it as it was.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 17:52

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 17:48

No, because you are misrepresenting her sister's single request - to bring chicken for herself.

You're making shit up now.

Vegans can eat any food. They choose not to.

How am I misrepresenting it? Some posters are trying to say OP should allow her sister to eat meat at her house because she’s a meat eater. I’m pointing out that meat is only one part of her sister’s diet. That’s a perfectly accurate representation.

Lilywc · 21/12/2024 17:54

Tell her to cook it first and bring it cut up, tbh , I’m veggie & I like having a Christmas dinner albeit vegetarian style
if you don’t mind me saying although yours sounds delicious it’s not Christmas dinner x

rainbowunicorn · 21/12/2024 17:56

Makingchocolatecake · 21/12/2024 15:43

Is she bringing the rest of her Christmas Dinner or just the chicken?

No offence but your menu doesn't sound Christmassy at all! Sounds yummy for an evening Xmas day meal though, I have no problem with vegan food but would want my proper Xmas dinner!

Do your family eat the standard roast potatoes, veg, stuffing etc?

Edited

OPs family are having THEIR proper Christmas dinner which they have kindly invited her sister to join.
It is a bit rude to suggest that OPs meal choice isn't worthy of being a proper christmas dinner, whatever that means.

TheTavern · 21/12/2024 17:59

Would it be ok if she cooked her chicken at home and brought it to yours cooked? I understand that you don’t like the smell of meat cooking.
Your Xmas dinner sounds lovely but as I meat eater I would like some meat alongside what you are offering especially for Xmas dinner.

IdylicDay · 21/12/2024 18:02

Bumblebeestiltskin · 21/12/2024 09:03

This! I spend Christmas every year just me, my sister, andy daughter (I host). We're all vegan and while we do eat out with non-vegans and at non-vegan people's houses throughout the year, personally we prefer Christmas without tables heaving with animals carcasses. There's an open invitation for other family members to come, but as they can't imagine Christmas without the carcasses and secretions, they choose not to - fair enough! We all have the Christmas we want and are still a happy, close family.

heaving with animals carcasses

And this right here, this immature, vulgar, crass response is exactly why vegans have the bad rep they have. Please grow up and stop acting like a 9 year old. FFS.

glowfrog · 21/12/2024 18:02

YABU for adding that you're vegan "for moral reasons." That just makes you sound really self-righteous and precious. And I say this as someone who agrees there are excellent moral reasons to be vegan! You could have just said "we're vegan." What a bizarre things to add.

But she's rude to suggest this.

JJWT · 21/12/2024 18:04

I've been vegan in the past and don't dislike any of the items on your list but it seems a bit like picky bits/sides/picnic/buffet food. Do you have a main Christmas centrepiece in mind, like a big nut roast and piles of roast potatoes and gravy etc? If it was more like a vegan Christmas dinner she may feel less inclined to add roast meat. I can totally see why you don't want her to actually cook a chicken in your kitchen but I can also see why she feels she has to bring her own Christmas dinner.

DearDenimEagle · 21/12/2024 18:05

mbosnz · 20/12/2024 21:39

I think it sounds a really rather magnificent spread, and I'm definitely a confirmed carnivore!

I hate tagine, falafel and hummus..ate them when I had to..Jewish oh…but not with pleasure and most certainly not for Christmas. It would ruin my day, but even though I do eat meat, I would not expect to cook meat in a vegan household. I might bring something vegan I do like, but it’s unreasonable to bring meat.

RampantIvy · 21/12/2024 18:08

Presumably the OP's sister knows that the family are vegan, so it wouldn't be a surprise that the request to bring a chicken to cook will be refused?

MaMoosie · 21/12/2024 18:13

IdylicDay · 21/12/2024 18:02

heaving with animals carcasses

And this right here, this immature, vulgar, crass response is exactly why vegans have the bad rep they have. Please grow up and stop acting like a 9 year old. FFS.

Mmmm love me some carcass 😬

ginasevern · 21/12/2024 18:13

OP, I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian but I think your Christmas spread sounds wonderful. I love middle eastern food. In fact, I'd like an invite please. I think your sister is being rude and silly. You are offering her hospitality on Christmas Day and, as a widow with no extended family, I know that's worth it's weight in gold. As a guest I wouldn't dream of asking to use someone's oven to cook my own food, whether they were vegan or not! Surely to god she can go without meat for one day under the circumstances?

drspouse · 21/12/2024 18:17

She's definitely VVVU.
But I'd be wanting something like a nut roast, lasagne, Wellington or something in pastry, for that Christmas dinner feeling.

Matildahoney · 21/12/2024 18:26

@BrightonFrock vegans choose to eat that way, no one is forced to. I choose to eat meat, I don't enjoy a
As an aside I have one sil who is vegan and one who is vegetarian and they both cater for meat eaters because they're reasonable human beings and would like the same courtesy extended to them.

StarkleLittleTwink · 21/12/2024 18:27

your sister is being ridiculous and selfish. She must respect your values if she wants to come to your home for a meal. As someone else suggested, can’t she save her meat for the evening or eat it before she comes to you if she must have her dose of meat?

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