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In laws and Christmas Day

75 replies

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 16:41

I'm in a real quandary.over Christmas Day.

I'm very low contact with dh's parents.

There is a very long history but essentially it's all down to fil being rude, obnoxious and nasty. He has made truly dreadful comments to me almost every time I've ever been in his company. It's become too much to bear and I can no longer ignore him. Even when I try to stop him he always has to have the last say. Not only is it the comments but things he has done too.

I've posted about him before on here quite a few times over the years and always get told yanbu and that I should go low contact and that dh should step in.

Dh never says anything, always claims afterwards that he didn't hear or didn't realise. It has caused so many arguments that I have at times wanted to divorce because of my husband's lack of back bone.

Dh has promised to have a word with fil about his behaviour, but of course he hasn't.

We usually see in laws on Christmas Day but I don't think I can stand it. I'm having a rough time personally and I think of fil does his usual it will tip me over the edge.

OTOH I feel very selfish to ask for them to keep away as it's still dhs dad.

Dh will just go along with whatever.

OP posts:
Orangesandlemons77 · 20/12/2024 18:55

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 18:39

I've actually tried this and they just prolong the visit and then when I eventually surface dh is like "oh look Emma is here you might as well stay for another drink".

I heard a phrase that perfectly describes dh with his family. They are enmeshed.

Not these days because dh has broken away but for years they were completely enmeshed.

You are all correct though. Fil hasn't cared, sh hasn't cared enough to stop it so why should I feel any guilt?

Don't surface then?

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 18:56

I've been being the bigger person for years and I'm tired of it.

I've tried sticking up for myself but it just makes fil worse.

I'm too old and too tired for it.

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Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 18:57

@Orangesandlemons77 yes but I'm not going to hide in my bedroom for hours am I?

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CyranoDeBergerQuack · 20/12/2024 18:58

Was he like this to you before you married?

Dollyparton3 · 20/12/2024 19:08

I have similar but with my MIL OP, fascinatingly MIL positively alienates DH's adult daughter against him. She crossed a line a few years ago and since then I've made it clear that she won't be crossing the doorstep until she owns her behaviour and apologises.

DH knows that she's a bully to everyone and has enmeshed him for years and he doesn't even need to back me up. He just always volunteers to meet them at theirs. That way he doesn't need to have the difficult conversation. I think in the early days he might have had to be direct in saying "that won't work for us".

Of all the days when you might have to compromise your own feelings to keep the peace Xmas day is not the one to put rude people's feelings first. Stick to your guns. It doesn't have to be a big family discussion, just a swerve on your DH's part and you can say "no". It's a full sentence

strawberry2017 · 20/12/2024 19:18

I'm thinking the conversation with your DH needs to be along the lines of you can take the kids to their house on Xmas day but they are not coming to ours.

OrangeSlices998 · 20/12/2024 19:21

Can’t DH and DC go visit them for an hour or so on Xmas day without you? YANBU

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 19:23

OrangeSlices998 · 20/12/2024 19:21

Can’t DH and DC go visit them for an hour or so on Xmas day without you? YANBU

He can if he wants to, but he won't.

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MorphandMindy · 20/12/2024 19:26

No don't have them over. DH can take them out for a walk or go to theirs.

Listen, if you don't put your own well-being first, who else do you think is going to do it? Santa Claus?

DH definitely isn't, so don't listen to him whinge because FIL is going to be awful whether you're there to hear him or not, you might as well not.

Iloveacurry · 20/12/2024 19:27

Why don’t you just ignore your FIL and don’t respond to him? You need to practise a resting bitch face!

LookItsMeAgain · 20/12/2024 19:31

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 18:09

Yes we do have children and dh will be seeing his parents a few days before with the dc.

They wouldn't be coming for dinner it would just be a visit. Which is why I feel mean saying no.

Dh just tries to sweep everything under the carpet. To me he seems terrified of his dad.

Honestly it's a nightmare and I've been close to asking for a divorce over it.

Unfortunately it's got to the point that I don't want to even be in the same room as fil and I have been nothing but nice and patient and tolerant but it's too much.

Does your DH know that you have been close to asking for a divorce over the conduct and behaviour of his father?
That his father could be the root cause of his marriage ending?

Would it help solidify something in your DH's brain if he knew things were as bad as that for you and he would end up stepping up and shutting his father down when he comes out with whatever shite he does that is offensive and rude and hurtful to you?

You need to tell him that you were close to ending your marriage over his father and see what he says to that.

2025willbemytime · 20/12/2024 19:33

So your h doesn't want time with his parents without you so why would you put yourself in harms way for him to see them with you? Bonkers. Don't go. He doesn't have to go. He's an adult. Time to look after himself and his family.

Stormyweatheroutthere · 20/12/2024 19:37

So he wants you around to take the brunt instead of him? You are definitely not responsible for managing anyone having a relationship with the cunt...

CandiedPrincess · 20/12/2024 19:39

Nah fuck that. Let your DH do what he wants to do, but stand your ground and remove that level of unpleasantness out of your life.

BobTheBobcatsBob · 20/12/2024 19:41

I had exactly the same issue with my FIL when he was alive. He would make every family get together uncomfortable, he would say really spiteful/cruel/unpleasant things to individual family members at every opportunity and I was also in the firing line despite never being anything but polite, friendly and appropriately behaved. My dh did the same as yours, pretended he hadn't seen or heard anything, as did all other family members. Or they played stuff down.
They were all frightened of him, and no one would ever confront him or hold him accountable for his behaviour- it was always the person being insulted's fault and never my FIL's fault. My BIL and SIL both suffer (and still suffer) from emotional difficulties due to how FIL treated them- BIL holds all emotions in and is very cold, always stressed and anxious, very harsh and judgemental. My SIL is overly emotional, struggles to regulate her emotions and can't cope with any level of stress in her life at all. I also felt at times like the answer would be to divorce my dh, and we had terrible arguments about it over the years.

Anyway, in the end, after 15 years of ruined celebrations, hundreds of nasty comments and uncomfortable situations, I had enough and I literally exploded in anger and shouted at him. My MIL then pleaded with me to speak to him and sort it out, so I met with them and my dh, and my FIL immediately started goading me. At that point, after a few choice words directed at him, I told him I was done with him and I went NC with him. The family, apart from BIL, all sided with me initially, but when it became clear that I wouldn't be backtracking on what I'd said, a number of them tried to force me into situations where I had to see him/speak to him, and then got very critical of me behind my back.

My dh, however, finally realised how his father's behaviour had affected me and backed me up and completely supported my decision not to be around FIL. My SIL's husband also backed me completely and fought my corner when other family members badmouthed me.

Anyway, life became so much happier and relaxed once I removed FIL from my life. We do have children and I was happy for them to continue a relationship with him on the proviso that he didn't say anything nasty to them, or say anything nasty about me or my family, or anything racist or misogynistic to them. And he never did, although I don't doubt that he would have done as they got older if he had lived longer, as he once something utterly revolting to my niece.

Anyway, moral of the story is, you don't need to accommodate this man at all. If you don't want to ruin Christmas Day with the stress of seeing him or even being in the near vicinity as him, then you don't have to. You don't owe anyone your time or civility, particularly when they are consistently unpleasant to you. And your DH needs to understand that his loyalty is to you in a situation where you are the victim of his father's nastiness. You also need to firmly assert your boundaries to your dh and don't deviate from what you feel comfortable with. Good luck.

TheYoungestSibling · 20/12/2024 19:43

I like the idea of insisting he repeats his abusive comments loud enough for others to hear. Or, did you really say that to me, as a guest in my house?

My FIL crossed a line when he threatened to hit my child to shut them up. From that day I was done, I wouldn't be alone in a room with him, child wasn't either, and didn't engage in any more conversation than necessary.

gillefc82 · 20/12/2024 20:02

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 19:23

He can if he wants to, but he won't.

Well then sadly your DH and PILs will need to content themselves with just seeing each other the few days before Christmas when he goes to visit them. Make it clear to DH a visit from them to your home on Christmas Day is a no!

Shetlands · 20/12/2024 20:22

You should not have to tolerate being verbally abused in your own home. Can't your DH tell FiL he's not welcome due his unacceptable behaviour towards his wife? If he won't then can you tell FiL yourself?

Porcuporpoise · 20/12/2024 20:49

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 19:23

He can if he wants to, but he won't.

That is so not your problem.

Browningstown · 21/12/2024 09:56

Emmaisinadilemma · 20/12/2024 19:23

He can if he wants to, but he won't.

So you have a husband problem.

Badburyrings · 21/12/2024 12:24

If I were you this year I would suddenly develop covid symptoms and be ill on the day and the only choice is DH visits them alone on the day.

Then, spend the time next year deciding what you will do going forward. This will eliminate the dilemmas now, giving you time to properly think about what you need to do for next year.

Femalefootyfan · 21/12/2024 14:06

Don’t be me OP.

My FIL wasn’t nasty but he basically ignored me at every visit to our home and when we went to my pil’s. He was civil when we were around other extended family but he just said ‘hello’ and ‘goodbye’ to me each time we saw him. My DH did once call him out on his behaviour when I put my foot down and said he wasn’t welcome in our home unless he could treat me like an actual person and for a 2 week visit, he did. However, he then reverted back to his usual self. He actually told me to my face once, 3 months after my own Dad passed, that he didn’t like me and never had. For some reason, I got really upset by this, I still don’t know why, heightened emotions maybe.

Anyway, I put up with this for over 30 years and it still causes me anxiety even though FIL passed over 18 months ago.

I put up with it as my DC’s adored him and I didn’t want to take that relationship away and they didn’t live local enough for my DH to pop over with the dc and me stay at home and MIL wouldn’t drive the 2 hours needed to get to our house nor come alone.
FIL behaviour was enabled by so many people, including myself.

I look back and realise I should’ve put my foot down and done more to lessen my anxiety and my DH should definitely have had my back more and stood up for me.

To repeat, don’t be me OP.

Liverpool52 · 21/12/2024 16:14

My FIL is like yours Op - snide, spiteful, nasty comments and all done out of earshot. Coupled with his and my MIL's misogyny and controlling behaviour I eventually decided enough was enough and I wasn't going to see them anymore. The first time my DH travelled to theirs without me, he was forced to give an explanation - there was much wailing and cries of "but I was only joking". MIL then wrote to me and basically told me I needed to get over it and do as I was told.

Haven't seen them in eight years and I feel so much better. The utter dread I'd feel before a visit. MIL still emails me occasionally and that gives me the dread but I just ignore. DH visits them occasionally but doesn't like going on his own. That's his problem. If I thought he'd ever call his parents out on their behaviour I'd go with him but he won't.

Life is far too short to waste it on people like your FIL. And it's not behaviour you'd put up with from an acquaintance (but lets face it, people who aren't related to you or to people you love are far less likely to behave like that towards you).

Let your DH go to them on Christmas Day and don't feel guilty for that. Treating people badly has consequences.

Nanny0gg · 28/12/2024 12:06

@Emmaisinadilemma how did it go?

moose62 · 28/12/2024 13:01

Did you manage to avoid FIL?

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