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To think all NICU nurses should wear body cams to keep babies safe?

92 replies

ElsaGreen · 17/12/2024 15:42

After the awful tragedy of the Lucy Letby case, we need to do more to protect the most vulnerable children, children who cannot even speak for themselves.

Letby is not the first nurse to murder patients, there was also the case of Beverly Allitt. The doctor Harold Shipman also murdered patients... I know these healthcare professionals are in the minority...but how can vulnerable patients be kept safe without additional monitoring?

If we made all healthcare professionals wear body cameras would this help to prevent future murders?

OP posts:
Acrossthemountains · 17/12/2024 20:29

Highlandfandango · 17/12/2024 20:28

@BoobyDazzler who’s the “mindless fuckwit” ? I really hope you’re not referring to me as I’m upset by this thread enough already 😨

I think she meant the op.

TimeAndTideAndButteredEggsWaitForNoMan · 17/12/2024 20:29

ElsaGreen · 17/12/2024 15:50

I should probably add the disclaimer that I don't really believe the above, it would be ridiculous wouldn't it? A small number of sociopathic individuals should not be allowed to tarnish the reputation of an entire profession.

Why then, is it considered reasonable to apply these kinds of sweeping generalisations to home educating parents?

I’m not sure anyone else is going to follow your mental gymnastics here, so your thread isn’t going to go where you want it to. I hate to break it to you but most posters only read the opening post, and not even all of that.

Highlandfandango · 17/12/2024 20:31

@Acrossthemountains thanks, yet another example of how my brain shuts down when talking about nicu’s. I haven’t been able to read any detail of the LL case.

ChangeyerNameyer · 17/12/2024 20:32

Would spending millions of pounds on cameras be a life-saving use of budget? Is the time spent on charging, downloading, updating etc the cameras a good sue of the nurses' time?

healthybychristmas · 17/12/2024 20:32

My biggest problem about home education is that the adult doesn't have to have any qualifications or any skills in education. That just wouldn't be allowed in a school. There are no checks to make sure that those children are getting in education and no checks to see whether they are happy not going to school or happy at all for that matter. Parents shouldn't have the right to do whatever they want with their children's lives.

leia24 · 17/12/2024 20:34

Annabella92 · 17/12/2024 15:50

@ElsaGreen After the awful tragedy of the Lucy Letby case, we need to do more to protect the most vulnerable children, children who cannot even speak for themselves.

I hope you also feel this way about abortion

Stop it 🤣

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/12/2024 20:34

I was going to come on and say that parents are the biggest risk to checkered but I see that you already stepped in that.

Home ed needs oversight. It just does. Not body cams. If you can teach your children what hyperbole is, apply that.

Acrossthemountains · 17/12/2024 20:34

Highlandfandango · 17/12/2024 20:31

@Acrossthemountains thanks, yet another example of how my brain shuts down when talking about nicu’s. I haven’t been able to read any detail of the LL case.

I'm so sorry to hear that ... I'm another nicu mum retraumatised by this thread. Thank you very much op.

It was bad enough even before getting to the part where it turns out she's just a homeschooling mum whose feelings were hurt by the suggestion that oversight is needed.

Mmhmmn · 17/12/2024 20:35

Did a bodycam prevent George Floyd’s horrific death? No.
What’s needed is for NHS senior managers to listen and investigate and call in police when doctors tell them there’s a highly suspicious or potentially murderous staff member in their midst.

Haroldwilson · 17/12/2024 20:39

So erm, you're trying to use murdered babies as a way of persuading people of your viewpoint on home ed? That's barmy.

I don't think home ed people should wear body cams, who said they should? They do need to be checked now and again to make sure the kids are actually learning something and where there are any social services concerns, the kids should be in school.

BiggerBoat1 · 17/12/2024 20:44

You’re not a great advert for hone educators are you OP? Batshit.

BoobyDazzler · 17/12/2024 20:48

Acrossthemountains · 17/12/2024 20:29

I think she meant the op.

I was taking about the dickhead op. Not you x

WiseLurker · 17/12/2024 20:49

Kendodd · 17/12/2024 15:44

This is the most poorly thought out post I've ever seen on MN

I agree.

There was more logic to the Penis Beaker thread.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/12/2024 21:25

Haroldwilson · 17/12/2024 20:39

So erm, you're trying to use murdered babies as a way of persuading people of your viewpoint on home ed? That's barmy.

I don't think home ed people should wear body cams, who said they should? They do need to be checked now and again to make sure the kids are actually learning something and where there are any social services concerns, the kids should be in school.

Aaaalllllll of this.

Toddlerteaplease · 17/12/2024 21:32

Absolutely not. It's bad enough that staff on our children's assessment unit are now having to wear them, because of the level of aggression from parents and the behaviour of some children and teenagers. They only have the. Switched on in the event of an incident.

Toddlerteaplease · 17/12/2024 21:32

@Annabella92 good point!

McGregor33 · 17/12/2024 22:27

Highlandfandango · 17/12/2024 18:43

I wonder how many posters have had babies in NICU? I don’t mean just one night as baby was a bit distressed when they came out but Level 3 NICU for a month when you have to say good bye to your baby every night as there’s only one side room with a parent bed and 26 babies on the ward? And obviously many babies are there much much longer. For long stretches of time they are by themselves with no one to advocate for them and obviously they can’t speak up for themselves.

I don’t think body cams are the answer but cctv may help or baby monitor cams as suggested above. It was horrific leaving at night and seeing the night staff come on, flick on all the fluorescent lights on high beam (where they’d stay on all night into night beaming into the incubators), and turn up the radio to heavy rock music. The lovely day staff were all soothing music, soft voices and little shades over the incubators so the bright lights didn’t mean permanent daytime but the night staff….😨. Would have loved a baby monitor cam (but it would have made for hard viewing)

I have, level 3 nicu for 2 months, level 2 a month and level one a month! We had vcreate to have videos and pictures sent to us, opening visiting hours, lights dimmed for 7 and also quiet hour at 4pm. No big bright lights or rock music in our nicu thankfully. I would definitely give feedback to them if I was you.

We were transferred between hospitals in different towns and the rules were pretty much the same.

I do agree though leaving your baby behind is absolutely gut wrenching and goes against every feeling in your body. I was lucky enough to be given a family room, albeit in the maternity ward but after a month I had to go home- this wasn’t because of the hospital rules, this was due to my older children really struggling without me.

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