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To think Home Education should be made illegal

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Viviennemary · 17/12/2024 12:43

I would like to see a ban on HE except perhaps in a very very few cases and with good reason and under strict supervision.

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Frowningprovidence · 17/12/2024 14:54

As an aside there are 180 year 7 pupils with sen, who are unplaced, in my county.

These are pupils parents want in school but the la couldn't find a suitable one.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:54

amigafan2003 · 17/12/2024 14:53

No, because that's a failure of the state so it wouldn't be fair to penalise them on that basis.

But you would be penalising home educated children on the basis of a failure of their parents. Does that seem fair to you?

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:55

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No, not until this year.

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:55

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:51

Do you work in university admissions? Because you are talking nonsense. I have known home educated children (in recent years) admitted to Oxbridge with GCSEs taken across several years.

There is someone who posts a lot in HE groups who says she has tracked every recent claim of this happening and has found they are all false. The only recent HE children she has found admitted to prestigious universities or courses are those who met the course requirements. So they may have taken early exams, but still had the grades from relevant exams taken over the last 2 years.

Edited to say - I am tired and only just clocked you are talking about GCSEs. Yes this may be true. But they will have passed their A Levels in a 2 year period.

TheHazelba · 17/12/2024 14:55

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LBFseBrom · 17/12/2024 14:55

Most home schooling is very well organised and done in groups, regularly inspected. It should not be banned just because of some awful people abusing the system. There are nasties in every situation, including schools, hospitals and children's homes but the majority of folk are OK.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:56

Birdscratch · 17/12/2024 14:54

Taking exams early/splitting them isn’t an issue for GSCEs. It does apply for A levels.

Yes, this I agree with. Most home educated children who take A levels don't take them early as they might with GCSEs, though. Many are at college or sixth form by that point.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:56

LBFseBrom · 17/12/2024 14:55

Most home schooling is very well organised and done in groups, regularly inspected. It should not be banned just because of some awful people abusing the system. There are nasties in every situation, including schools, hospitals and children's homes but the majority of folk are OK.

What? It very much isn't.

Sortumn · 17/12/2024 14:56

QuickDenimDeer · 17/12/2024 14:48

How would an igcse look on a CV? I’m not sure how employers would feel about a HE individual compared to someone who has sat GCSE’s, A-levels etc in the same way as the majority, on the basis that they did all their work from home, and there’s far less regulation. When I went to school we had to sit an exam and be carefully watched by an adjudicator. We were all timed and that was how it was fair. Surely a child sitting an exam at home can google the answers? I’m not suggesting that a child can’t gain a basic education from be HE, but I struggle to see how they will assimilate to the outside world. Surely going into the workplace where there are usually strict rules, time constraints and someone outside of your family watching your performance is what you get from going to school outside of the home?

I also didn’t say that school sets a child up better than HE, but that’s its design. I do have my belief that the education system needs a big overhaul to be more holistic and a whole lot more inclusive, however. My own DC has SEN, and the education side of things gives me the most worry. But I also do not want to be forced into HE because the school system fails my child.

Children don't sit exams at home! They sit exams in exactly the way you described at an exam centre. Our local private school is kind enough to act as an exam centre - obviously they charge an admin fee that makes this when their while, in addition to the exam fee.

An IGCSE simply means there is no coursework element, which makes it accessible.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:56

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Ten.

homeEd2021 · 17/12/2024 14:57

Our school refused to follow educational psychologists advice. When we objected, the principal was adamant that we should withdraw them from the school, i.e. they were off-rolled. After years of advocating for our child within the system, the system was not meeting their needs in any way. We withdrew them to homeschool. We were able to meet their needs at home in ways that the school both couldn't and wouldn't.

The current system fails particular groups of children especially badly, e.g. those with G&T, SEN, DME or neurodiversity. These children often do better in home education than in a system designed around and for the median. Measures which would work for many such children such as flexi-schooling and placement out of chronological year group are entirely at the discretion of the school principal, and are usually refused by principals who are inadequately trained.

In 4 years of home education we didn't have a single check from the LA on provision, progress or welfare. I spent the first two years relieved that they were leaving us alone and not interfering. But I spent the next two becoming increasingly incredulous and angry that nobody cared even to check if our child was still alive, let alone receiving education. We also had problems accessing the basic healthcare such as vaccinations that are normally rolled out through schools. Some institutions were also extremely unhelpful in making educational resources normally available to schools available to homeschoolers (e.g. UKMT made it clear they couldn't give a monkeys). Despite this our period of home-schooling was outstandingly successful and our child started attending a leading university before turning 18 (though the local authority can't possibly know that), where their needs have been met better than they ever were at school.

There are now significantly more children being home educated in the UK than are attending boarding schools. It is a mainstream choice. What is needed is proper support and regulation. The funding for this is more than paid for by the fact that each home-educated child saves the state the cost of a school place. Specifically:
There should be a national register of all children (not just home educated children) and who has both parental and educational responsibility.
LA's should employ someone in a role analogous to school nurse, to conduct an annual health and welfare check, and make vaccinations such as flu and HPV routinely available.
An annual educational check on appropriateness of provision and progress since last check should also occur.
LA's should have a duty to make places at an exam centre available to home educated students to take GCSE and other exams, if necessary by requiring the nearest state school to take the student as an external candidate, and LA's should bear the cost of their exam entries. Careers advice, and advice on selecting courses, should also be a responsibility of the LA.

State schools should offer every child an education that is appropriate not just to their age but also to their aptitude and ability and any special needs that they may have. Unfortunately for tens of thousands of children that is not a reality. While the system remains broken and inflexible, and while school principals remain unaccountable, schools will continue to fail many children, and home education is often the only remaining choice by which parents can ensure their children's needs are met.

TheHazelba · 17/12/2024 14:57

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SharpOpalNewt · 17/12/2024 14:57

amigafan2003 · 17/12/2024 14:47

I don't think home ed it should be banned but those who are home schooled should be disbarred from receiving any state benefits when they reach working age unless they pass 5 GCSEs at grade 5 or above.

What state benefits do 16 year olds get?

Do you know how many fail to get 5+ GCSEs in school?

Why should anyone be deemed a failure at 16?

How long would they not be able to get benefits for?

A family member's daughter has a long term severe physical and learning disability. She will not be getting 5 GCSEs.

DD2 would not have got 5 GCSEs if she had stayed at a school she was barely able to attend.

She is doing 4 at home, at great expense to me and at a great saving to the taxpayer. After which she will go to college whether she passes two or four of them to do either a Level 2 or 3 course, and will have a part time job. She will not be claiming benefits.

I would say the opposite- provide funding for kids who struggle up to the age of 16 to get the qualifications they need post 16 so that they will be able to get good jobs. There are far too few good alternative Level 1-3 options and it's absolutely criminal that kids are now expected to stay in education or training to 18 while systematically underfunding FE colleges.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:57

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:55

There is someone who posts a lot in HE groups who says she has tracked every recent claim of this happening and has found they are all false. The only recent HE children she has found admitted to prestigious universities or courses are those who met the course requirements. So they may have taken early exams, but still had the grades from relevant exams taken over the last 2 years.

Edited to say - I am tired and only just clocked you are talking about GCSEs. Yes this may be true. But they will have passed their A Levels in a 2 year period.

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Yes, I was talking about GCSEs. You are right about A levels.

Donttellempike · 17/12/2024 14:58

Nogaxeh · 17/12/2024 12:45

The government doesn't own people's children.

Neither do parents

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:58

LBFseBrom · 17/12/2024 14:55

Most home schooling is very well organised and done in groups, regularly inspected. It should not be banned just because of some awful people abusing the system. There are nasties in every situation, including schools, hospitals and children's homes but the majority of folk are OK.

This is not the case. HE groups are not inspected. Many HE do not access any HE groups. Some HE groups do teaching, but some are just play based and parents go to them so their child can make friends.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:58

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Yes, he started in September.

Prior to that he was home educated.

AmandeFrance0979 · 17/12/2024 14:58

After working in schools for years and hearing all the Woke nonsense they teach kids, I regret sending my own children to school. If anything ban schools.

Petergriffinschins · 17/12/2024 14:59

LBFseBrom · 17/12/2024 14:55

Most home schooling is very well organised and done in groups, regularly inspected. It should not be banned just because of some awful people abusing the system. There are nasties in every situation, including schools, hospitals and children's homes but the majority of folk are OK.

Where’s that then? That certainly wasn’t my experience of home ed, or the experience of people I know who still do it. What groups are regularly inspected and by who? Becuase I’d bet my house that every home educator I’d ever met would have kicked off about that.

TheHazelba · 17/12/2024 14:59

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hopelessholly1 · 17/12/2024 14:59

where do you recon galores of DC with SEN will receive an education after being pushed out of mainstream education and without the option to received a suitable specialist education because there are no spaces. I know a lot of families who HE. Not a single one do this by choice. they all have been let down and failed by the system and there is no alternative. Where would you educate the children with SEN for whom there is no suitable school???

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:59

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:56

Yes, this I agree with. Most home educated children who take A levels don't take them early as they might with GCSEs, though. Many are at college or sixth form by that point.

Yes generally if HE children go to university, they have opted back into the state system.

TheHazelba · 17/12/2024 14:59

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samarrange · 17/12/2024 15:00

I find it fascinating that almost every country has a different view on this, from "Absolutely illegal, basically child abuse" to "Every parent's God-given right". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling_international_status_and_statistics

Fun anecdote from a friend: Home schooling is allowed in Finland but almost impossible to get approved in Sweden. So Swedish parents who want to home-school their children, come what may, often move to the Ã…land Islands, which are Swedish-speaking but part of Finland. For practical reasons a lot of these parents have congregated on one particular island. That island has a public (i.e., state) school, as required by Finnish law, but that school only has one student because every other child on the island is home-schooled!

Homeschooling international status and statistics - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling_international_status_and_statistics

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 15:00

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Necessity. I have some current health issues that mean I'm unable to dedicate the right amount of time and attention he needs.