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To think Home Education should be made illegal

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Viviennemary · 17/12/2024 12:43

I would like to see a ban on HE except perhaps in a very very few cases and with good reason and under strict supervision.

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Itsmehiya · 17/12/2024 14:49

You don’t sit the exams at home! You go to a test centre and they are invigilated like any other formal qualification.

TheHazelba · 17/12/2024 14:49

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MargolyesofBeelzebub · 17/12/2024 14:49

I'd home ed my DD if I had the skills and money, mostly because I don't like some of the stuff she'd potentially get taught and the lack of transparency around some of the lesson plans, especially from outsourced providers who can claim copyright violation if their materials get shared with parents. I think this is dodgy AF. I'd like the right to know everything my daughter is being taught and the right to remove her from a lesson if I don't think she should be learning about that topic.

BeachRide · 17/12/2024 14:49

kelsaycobbles · 17/12/2024 14:38

I think what most posters here know is how variable home ed can be- from the very best to the very worst - from rounded well educated children to those who are basically feral or abused or uneducated

IMO It shouldn't be banned but there should be minimum standards that childen should meet if they are to be allowed to stay in home Ed

Many children in traditional school settings don't meet minimum standards!

squaredreams · 17/12/2024 14:50

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 17/12/2024 12:49

I’m with you op for the majority of cases. Children miss out on so much by not attending school. They miss out on socialisation with other kids, the friendship bonds, experiences, school trips, social lives… not to mention there’s a hell of a lot of parents out there who are simply not qualified to be teaching the kids at home.

There’s some cases where I believe it’s necessary, but not the majority. and those where it is necessary should really be monitored to ensure the kids are actually learning and that it remains in their best interest

They miss out on so much by going to school.

Cultural holidays at an affordable price.
Mixed age learning and tribal community where they learn from those older and younger than them
Independent learning
Varied curriculum and abilities to tailor to personal strength and interest at a younger age
More family time

I think there's a place for both.
My preference is part time school which is the best of all worlds in my opinion, as they make friends, follow a curriculum for 80% of the time and have 1 day to specialise and be independent while having more family time.

LittleBitAlexisLaLaLaLaLa · 17/12/2024 14:50

I definitely think there needs to be checks on children’s welfare who don’t attend school. Especially those who have been known to social services at anytime who are taken out of a school setting to be educated at home.

Many parents who HE do so because there aren’t appropriate settings available to their children. We need to solve that issue first and foremost before we start doing more harm
than good by forcing those children into educational settings which might be harmful to them.

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:50

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:45

I used to work in university admissions and this is total bollocks.

It is not bollocks. Universities used to be far more accepting when there were few HE children. Then admission policies were fairly flexible. Since the number of HE children has rapidly increased, universities have become stricter with their policies towards HE children.
You will still find universities who will offer a place. There is a university close to me who gives places to students with only D grades in GCSE for some courses. But if you want a good university, or admission to a highly sought after course, then the admissions policies are very unlikely to be flexible.

Atwhatpointdo · 17/12/2024 14:50

I think home education is right for some children. There are some who would not thrive at school - one size doesn’t fit all.

But home settings should be vetted and checked like school settings are.

AllYearsAround · 17/12/2024 14:50

QuickDenimDeer · 17/12/2024 14:48

How would an igcse look on a CV? I’m not sure how employers would feel about a HE individual compared to someone who has sat GCSE’s, A-levels etc in the same way as the majority, on the basis that they did all their work from home, and there’s far less regulation. When I went to school we had to sit an exam and be carefully watched by an adjudicator. We were all timed and that was how it was fair. Surely a child sitting an exam at home can google the answers? I’m not suggesting that a child can’t gain a basic education from be HE, but I struggle to see how they will assimilate to the outside world. Surely going into the workplace where there are usually strict rules, time constraints and someone outside of your family watching your performance is what you get from going to school outside of the home?

I also didn’t say that school sets a child up better than HE, but that’s its design. I do have my belief that the education system needs a big overhaul to be more holistic and a whole lot more inclusive, however. My own DC has SEN, and the education side of things gives me the most worry. But I also do not want to be forced into HE because the school system fails my child.

iGCSEs are equivalent to GCSEs and they're sat at exam centres in exactly the same way.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:50

amigafan2003 · 17/12/2024 14:47

I don't think home ed it should be banned but those who are home schooled should be disbarred from receiving any state benefits when they reach working age unless they pass 5 GCSEs at grade 5 or above.

What? Would you also apply that to schooled children who don't pass 5 GCSEs?

Hoppinggreen · 17/12/2024 14:50

I don't agree but I DO think that DC being home schooled should be registered as such with The Council.
I was listening to a piece about it on Womand Hour on R4 yesterday and when the idea of registration was put to the Mum being interviewed about HS her children her main issue seemed to be that the kids would be "in the system". The interviewer pressed her on it but she really couldn't answer. To be honest she didn't come across well at all - I think religion played a part too in her decision.
I think its fine to Homeschool but there do need to be some checks and oversight

QuickDenimDeer · 17/12/2024 14:50

Itsmehiya · 17/12/2024 14:49

You don’t sit the exams at home! You go to a test centre and they are invigilated like any other formal qualification.

What’s the ‘I’ in igcse then? I thought it was ‘internet’. Or what’s different about it?

MintTwirl · 17/12/2024 14:51

QuickDenimDeer · 17/12/2024 14:48

How would an igcse look on a CV? I’m not sure how employers would feel about a HE individual compared to someone who has sat GCSE’s, A-levels etc in the same way as the majority, on the basis that they did all their work from home, and there’s far less regulation. When I went to school we had to sit an exam and be carefully watched by an adjudicator. We were all timed and that was how it was fair. Surely a child sitting an exam at home can google the answers? I’m not suggesting that a child can’t gain a basic education from be HE, but I struggle to see how they will assimilate to the outside world. Surely going into the workplace where there are usually strict rules, time constraints and someone outside of your family watching your performance is what you get from going to school outside of the home?

I also didn’t say that school sets a child up better than HE, but that’s its design. I do have my belief that the education system needs a big overhaul to be more holistic and a whole lot more inclusive, however. My own DC has SEN, and the education side of things gives me the most worry. But I also do not want to be forced into HE because the school system fails my child.

You don’t sit the exams at home? An IGCSE is sat in the same way as a GCSE.

twistyizzy · 17/12/2024 14:51

QuickDenimDeer · 17/12/2024 14:50

What’s the ‘I’ in igcse then? I thought it was ‘internet’. Or what’s different about it?

Stands for "international" as they are recognised internationally. GCSEs are only recognised in UK

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:51

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:47

That wasn't my experience!!

So you are talking about years ago then? Teacher training has changed a lot.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:51

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:50

It is not bollocks. Universities used to be far more accepting when there were few HE children. Then admission policies were fairly flexible. Since the number of HE children has rapidly increased, universities have become stricter with their policies towards HE children.
You will still find universities who will offer a place. There is a university close to me who gives places to students with only D grades in GCSE for some courses. But if you want a good university, or admission to a highly sought after course, then the admissions policies are very unlikely to be flexible.

Do you work in university admissions? Because you are talking nonsense. I have known home educated children (in recent years) admitted to Oxbridge with GCSEs taken across several years.

amigafan2003 · 17/12/2024 14:51

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:45

I used to work in university admissions and this is total bollocks.

When I lectured at Uni 90% of the module failures seemed to be home schooled students - they were totally unprepared for the rigours of higher learning.

Itsmehiya · 17/12/2024 14:52

Home-Ed children can do IGCSEs (internationally recognised) or standard GCSEs. They can also start A-Levels/degree courses if they like.

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Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:53

amigafan2003 · 17/12/2024 14:51

When I lectured at Uni 90% of the module failures seemed to be home schooled students - they were totally unprepared for the rigours of higher learning.

I'm surprised you had so many home educated children on your course as to be able to make that assertion tbh.

Nogaxeh · 17/12/2024 14:53

Gloriia · 17/12/2024 14:19

What a strange thing to say.

Children's welfare is important. This applies to physical needs, psychological needs and of course educational development.

I don't think HE should be illegal but their attainment, development and welfare should be closely monitored. Isn't it? Do kids literally stay at home and no checks or assessments are made?

Banking home education would be the government asserting the rights of ownership of children. It's a completely different thing from keeping a watchful eye on children.

LEAs already have a statutory duty to check up on children being home-schooled, but children are falling through the gaps because they may live in one LEA, and be going to school in another, before being withdrawn from school to be home educated.

amigafan2003 · 17/12/2024 14:53

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:50

What? Would you also apply that to schooled children who don't pass 5 GCSEs?

No, because that's a failure of the state so it wouldn't be fair to penalise them on that basis.

Punocchio · 17/12/2024 14:53

MerryMaker · 17/12/2024 14:51

So you are talking about years ago then? Teacher training has changed a lot.

Ten years.

Itsmehiya · 17/12/2024 14:54

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No- she didn’t. My parents were teachers and support her Mon-Wed and me Thurs-Fri. She’s now very independent though and most of her lessons are live, online- she just gets on with it. Our main tasks are getting her to tutors for 1:1s or to clubs, also eloping her revise/do homework.

Birdscratch · 17/12/2024 14:54

Taking exams early/splitting them isn’t an issue for GSCEs. It does apply for A levels.