To be surprised this potential miscarriage of justice isn’t given more prominence

[Snowintheforest]

Expert 'changed mind' over deaths, say Letby lawyers https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv3jlzme90o

If it is the case that she could be innocent it doesn’t really bear thinking about.

I’d have said having your baby murdered is the “unimaginable trauma” and far worse.

The truth is that they were murdered. And she murdered them.

this ‘girl’ is 34! your last sentence ignores judicial procedure for the sake of hyperbole

I have to be honest it’s not what I believe happened. You have every right to your opinion and yes, she has been convicted but I think there has been a miscarriage of justice and I hope that there is a retrial and I hope the truth comes out.

I have no idea about Letby's guilt or innocence. I feel heart sick for the families of these babies though.

• First they had to deal with the stress and anxiety of delivering a premature and/or sick baby.

• Then baby, which seems to have stabilised, dies very suddenly. Family are told this is due to natural causes.

• Years later they are then told that no, it appears their sick, premature baby was in fact murdered and there is going to have to be a (very public) trial.

• The person whose responsibility it was to care for their sick child is then convicted of its murder and sent to prison for the rest of their life. Case closed.

• ... except it's not because the question of their guilt has never been out of the headlines since, with appeal after appeal mounted and 'experts' crawling out of the woodworks left, right and centre to question the safety of the conviction.

• So now the families may face potentially another trial, the outcome of which could end up being, 'whoops, your baby wasn't murdered after all - our bad' or 'we can't say for certain whether your baby was murdered or not. But the conviction is not safe and will be overturned'. In that case, there could be yet ANOTHER trial and a rinse and repeat of the whole process.

The stress and distress for these families is unfathomable.

That said, if it turns out there has been a miscarriage of justice, that too needs to be rectified, no matter the personal cost to all concerned.

I think the truth’s already come out. If I never heard the name Lucy Letby again I’d be very happy.

I respect your position on this. I may not agree but it’s a very, very difficult subject and case.

Given the terrible track record of mis carriage of justice on these types of cases - convictions on circumstantial evidence alone - I’m very dubious as to whether this is a safe conviction.

now that one of the prosecution expect witnesses has changed his mind on the evidence he gave at trail, I believe for at least 3 of the murders this may mean an appeal on the conviction

denies he 'changed his mind' in Letby case www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6l0dynz7zo Expert denies he changed his mind in Letby case So, her lawyers are lying. Excellent. And now they have a platform to spread their lies - a parenting forum which claims that the feelings of the dead babies’ parents aren’t important - as long as she gets her retrial.

Honestly the Ledby defenders should be ashamed of themselves posting this outright bullshit on a parenting site.

If a parent of one of her victims came on here would you actually have the audacity to tell them that their feelings weren’t important because in your (non expert) opinion she didn’t do it?

Except he hasn’t. Read the link I’ve posted above.

Wow were you involved in the investigation?? You must have been to be so sure!!

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These armchair experts happen to be professors, statistician, medics who have queried parts of the circumstantial evidence.

they probably do have a better understanding than lay people in the jury

Many of them have very dubious credentials and have examined only a fraction of the evidence.

You are right. She wasn't convicted on the basis of either a confession or any concrete evidence. Because neither were presented in court. Heard the one about post office employees being jailed for theft and fraud who have been exonerated despite (some) having admitted guilt to something they didn't do? How about Andrew Malkinson - served 17 years for something he didn't do and still awaiting compensation 3 years after his release?

I stand by what I have said - courts can get it wrong. I have no idea whether they did in this case or not, but I do not wish to live in a society where courts are not scrutinised, or where dictat or public opinion is the measure of justice.

I tend to believe a jury who sat through detailed evidence and a trial lasting many months rather than armchair detectives on the internet.

It bothers me that so many think she is innocent because she is a pretty blonde woman who doesn't look like a serial killer.

Proof of the dubious credentials of the prof of statistics please

Proof of their expert credentials and that they were dealing with the same information as the police and court please.

Just to add, the statisticians only looked at a fraction of the evidence they were expert at & only commented on that aspect of the case.

It was you that brought them into disrepute- I can’t prove the opppsite, let’s have your information

Dr Andrew garrett

cant find anything to bring him into disripute

It's in every paper and there are 3 (at least) MN threads on it.
What more do you want?

How about having your baby murdered?

That seems worse.

You seem quite unfamiliar with how trials work.

My 18 month old said exactly the same thing!

So nine months of evidence in her trial wasn't enough?