To be surprised this potential miscarriage of justice isn’t given more prominence

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Expert 'changed mind' over deaths, say Letby lawyers https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv3jlzme90o

If it is the case that she could be innocent it doesn’t really bear thinking about.

Yeah well, we don’t do that. Thankfully.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that they are now looking into the deaths of babies in her care at Liverpool Children's Hospital while she was doing her training.

I think being a parent of one of the babies that died is much worse

Well cry me a river. I’ll save my sympathy for the actual victims here. You know, the parents of the babies that bitch murdered. And even if they were to let her off on some kind of technicality, IMO she’s still guilty and deserves to rot in hell.

Isn’t given more prominence? It’s reported in every newspaper today. I’m not sure what level of prominence you want.

It's constantly being reported and spoken about. Everyone seems to want to play detective.
She has had two trials and an appeal.
If there is really more evidence then they will appeal again. But until then I don't think the media should discuss it or report it.
The poor families who have lost their babies have already suffered terribly and each time this becomes a media story their suffering is increased.

I'm fed up of hearing about her, some people can't accept that a normal looking woman was capable of doing what she did.

i can, being the parent of one of those poor babies.

I am so sorry for your loss @Samcro but we can’t ignore potential miscarriages of justice because it might upset some people.

such hyperbole -
we do not have to ‘think’ of much worse, it surrounds us daily,

Sara Sharif? the little girl rented out to a paedophile in Brixton?
Mme Pelicot Gisele, all unimaginable,
but Lucy Letby’s with her implacable demeanour, found guilty,
not so much

I don't think anyone here is in a position to comment without the facts but (a) if the leading expert witness has changed his evidence that is not a point of procedure - it is stunningly significant; and (b) it is the responsibility of the prosecution to disclose all evidence to the defence, not the witnesses, and it is alleged that the prosecution has had the new evidence for months and did not disclose it - that is a gross dereliction of their duty.

I honestly do not know whether she is guilty of what she has been accused of or not. I have never seen the evidence or heard every word of testimony or argument. Unlike, it would appear, half the people on this site. But I am deeply concerned that the only evidence presented was circumstantial; and events such as this serve to undermine confidence in the judicial system when, on the face of it, someone can be convicted without any actual evidence and the prosecution can be shown to have withheld evidence - if they have withheld evidence once, who is to say that they haven't withheld other evidence that isn't convenient to their case?

Are you her lawyer then? Generating support for the cause and all?

Because if not, then you absolutely can ignore all this crap that’s being written in the press.

The papers have been harping on about this for months now. And during this time she’s been refused leave to appeal. That surely tells you something.

Given her defence didn’t actually offer a defence, it amazes me that people are even giving them any credence.

This, x1000. My prosecutor DH has had 7 of his successful convictions appealed this year and every one has been dismissed. Because that's what people do when they are facing a lifetime in prison, they get new lawyers and clutch at straws. You almost can't blame them but it shows that the system works. She could have waived legal privilege and let her previous lawyer speak out as to why he made the decisions he did in her defense-but she hasn't done so.

I keep the families of those children who died and were left disabled in my prayers. And the families of dead babies who weren't included in the trial and will always wonder.

And during this time she’s been refused leave to appeal. That surely tells you something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Overturned_convictions_in_the_United_Kingdom

All those cases also "tell you something" - courts can get it wrong. As I have said previously, I don't know whether she is guilty or not, but I have to assume that our courts do not frenquently make errors. And I have to believe that when they do, those errors will be found and dealt with. If nobody is looking, then nobody will find the errors. So I am grateful that we live in a society where we have free and independant courts, and which are subject to scrutiny and recall. As far as I am concerned her defence can and should continue to scrutinise every aspect of this case. It is one of the cornerstones of democracy, and whilst I am sorry that this process impacts on the families of the children, no free society should ever limit or refuse such scrutiny.

YWF? Really? That’s your opinion on why some people think she may be innocent?

This is not a miscarriage of justice. She's guiity.

I’ve asked time and time again for somebody to show me a scrap of evidence that implicates this girl beyond coincidence. I am yet to see it.

You cannot convict someone on a whole life sentence on the scale of probability.

You cannot scape goat someone to cover up NHS mismanagement and/or to give the families someone to blame.

If there is evidence it needs to be heard regardless of who is upset. You cannot lock someone up for life to spare someone else’s feelings.

The expert has spoken now.......and denies completely what her defence lawyers have said.

His comment is that their claims are "unsubstantiated, unfounded and inaccurate"

Those cases from the 70s aren't comparable to this one.

She wasn't convicted based on a confession being beaten out of her.

Having your baby murdered? Fairly sure that's worse...

Why are there people like the OP who are so desperate for this woman to be innocent. It's so strange.

Indeed.

When Letby was on the witness stand prosecution counsel asked why she cried over every point that involved her own emotions - like hearing the voice of he consultant she had an affair with, but rarely cried over any of the details about the poor babies.

Her response was "I cried about some of them!"

But if she is innocent then nobody had their baby murdered ? They would have just been misled into believing that was the case. Sometimes it isn’t just about having an answer or a reason given it actually needs to be the real answer or reason. Those parents deserve for there to be a retrial as much, if not more than Lucy Letby. They need the truth.

The only alternative to Letby having killed the babies is that they sadly died of natural causes related to their extreme vulnerability - which is what was originally concluded by post mortems in all cases. I think that would be a better (if such a word can be used) outcome for the families, surely?

I agree. Having lost a child myself it’s hard enough to go through that but I cannot imagine the pain to believe it had been intentional ? Those parents must be in turmoil