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Second hand book christmas gift

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123teenagerfood · 16/12/2024 09:53

I will start by saying that my relationship with my Mother is very difficult and strained. We agreed to meet at the weekend to exchange gifts, her idea. I got her a new set of pens, new notebook, new glasses case, new sewing scissors and a second hand book, of an author she likes, it was in good condition. I received a book mark, my husband a bottle of wine and my son, money and chocolates. She said she loved the gifts, and hadn't read the book. All good, until she got home and text me that I was disgusting to give her a used book and it wasn't a nice thing to do. I said she was ungrateful and now she is ignoring me. Was I wrong to include the used book? She will happily buy used books and take them from me at other times of the year.

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Rocknrollstar · 16/12/2024 09:59

I collect books on a certain subject and am always delighted to receive a new one - they are always second hand. In our family it has always been the book that counts, not the condition.

redskydarknight · 16/12/2024 10:02

Your relationship is difficult and strained.
She was looking for something to complain about.

If you'd bought her a new book, she would have complained about something else.

PonyPatter44 · 16/12/2024 10:05

So you went overboard on her presents, to try and please her. Presumably your bookmark wasn't a solid silver one from Tiffany. She then made you feel bad about your presents for her.

Is this a recurrent theme in your relationship with your mum by any chance?

Petergriffinschins · 16/12/2024 10:05

Well isn’t she a delight?

One of the reasons my SIL thinks I’m the devil is over something similar. She loved a particular film. Was saying she couldn’t find it on DVD anywhere. I found it in a charity shop, gave it to her for her birthday (along with new make up she’d asked dh for), and she was thrilled. She asked where I’d managed to find it and all hell broke lose when I told her. She actually broke down sobbing.

People are fucking mental.

PomandersandRedRibbon · 16/12/2024 10:22

Op that's so sad her self esteem must be really fragile.

I've asked for a book and it will be second hand! Well it might be I don't care and as part of her presents I've given dd some second hand books.

It's not you but something in her must be very fragile

VacuumPacked · 16/12/2024 10:47

OP,

I bought my dd an Ottolenghi cookbook unopened, immaculate condition -
from our local Oxfam Bookshop - still £10.00! though as a Christmas present.
Unwanted gift apparently.
I was very pleased, as was dd who would guess I had not
paid full price but had the good grace not to question.

Ingrates are tiresome, take no notice.

Family histrionics are not unusual especially at Christmas,
it isn’t just you, as the ‘worst Christmas presents ever’ thread will attest

Tortielady · 16/12/2024 10:48

You aren't BU. Your DM is though; what if you'd searched every charity shop in a 10 mile radius to find that book? Or kept your eyes open for a copy in nice condition? You have to put a lot more effort into buying second-hand books in good condition than just ordering them brand-new from Amazon or Waterstones. A whole branch of the bookselling sector is devoted to used books (antiquarian and general) as your DM would know if she'd read 84 Charing Cross Road or seen the film.

NeedToChangeName · 16/12/2024 10:48

I think it should be Ok to give second hand books as gifts eg raises £ for charity, better for the environment, saves money etc. But, I've never done it, as I do feel it looks tightfisted . I'd happily give / receive second hand books, but not as birthday / Christmas gifts

Pinkmoonshine · 16/12/2024 10:48

Take no notice

Gardendiary · 16/12/2024 10:52

She sounds painful - I mean who actually feels it’s okay to express that? In my family second hand would be normal - my mum works in a second hand book shop and my son collects old books. I guarantee some will be gifted this Christmas. Anyway, your mums gift to you sounds rubbish and she sounds entitled.

Nikitaspearlearring · 16/12/2024 10:55

If I know someone well enough to give them a present then I would definitely give a secondhand book, in fact DH is getting one this year from me and I know he won't blink! Your DM is looking for excuses to have a go. Not nice.

When we had just bought our house and were really skint we got each other library books as Christmas presents!

Tortielady · 16/12/2024 10:55

VacuumPacked · 16/12/2024 10:47

OP,

I bought my dd an Ottolenghi cookbook unopened, immaculate condition -
from our local Oxfam Bookshop - still £10.00! though as a Christmas present.
Unwanted gift apparently.
I was very pleased, as was dd who would guess I had not
paid full price but had the good grace not to question.

Ingrates are tiresome, take no notice.

Family histrionics are not unusual especially at Christmas,
it isn’t just you, as the ‘worst Christmas presents ever’ thread will attest

If anything, your DD was probably delighted that you'd been able to snag such a lovely item at a very good price. People who love books and spend any time at all haunting second-hand outlets (online and off) know the combination of effort and serendipity you need to find what you want, especially in good condition.

VacuumPacked · 16/12/2024 11:00

Tortielady · 16/12/2024 10:55

If anything, your DD was probably delighted that you'd been able to snag such a lovely item at a very good price. People who love books and spend any time at all haunting second-hand outlets (online and off) know the combination of effort and serendipity you need to find what you want, especially in good condition.

yes she was - and so was I, quite gleeful!
thank you for the acknowledgement

Howmanycatsistoomany · 16/12/2024 11:09

Ingrates are tiresome, take no notice.

This. And make no effort for future Christmases/birthdays OP.

LockForMultiball · 16/12/2024 12:43

To me it sounds like she was, for whatever reason, particularly alert for anything that could be perceived as a slight, and reacted accordingly. I mean, it was in addition to other gifts, and as you say, she doesn't have a general aversion to used books.

If it weren't for the fact she's your mother, I'd wonder if this was a clash of expectations and perceived implications — like if one person came from a family where thoughtfully-chosen second-hand books were a normal present and the fact of a book being second-hand couldn't possibly carry any unspoken meaning, while the other person came from a family where books as gifts were always new, where part of the present was getting a brand new untouched book all for yourself, and giving someone a second-hand book as an actual gift would be so unusual it must be sending some kind of message. But closely-related family? I can't see there being any of that kind of misunderstanding or culture clash — even if you'd developed different attitudes, I'd guess you'd probably know these things about each other. Unless you've had very little contact for a long time, I suppose.

I do kind of wonder whether waiting until she was home to tell you how she felt was because she didn't want to spoil the atmosphere at the get-together, or whether it wasn't until later (after some brooding and analysis) that she decided it was disgusting of you to give her a secondhand book.

But in general, when it comes to second-hand books as gifts, I think it depends on a lot of variables TBH.

  • Yes: if in 100% brand new condition, never been opened (or at least no more than a book bought from a bookshop), smells new, makes the right noise when you open it, fully intact dustcover (if applicable), no sunlight damage, no dust, not a mark on it inside or out, they'd never know it wasn't new if you didn't tell them, etc.
  • Yes: if it's something difficult to find or out of print, or an older edition chosen for the aesthetics of the cover/binding/textual differences/illustration differences/signed/first edition/special to that person for some reason — anything like that where it would be impossible to buy new, and you know they'd appreciate that specific aspect of it over a new one.
  • Yes: if it's a more casual gift (e.g. not wrapped, more "Hey I just finished this and think you'd love it/saw this in the charity shop and thought of you/got you a copy of that book I was telling you about") and in reasonable condition (i.e. has all its pages, no mysterious gross staining or spider poo).
  • Yes: if it's someone you know doesn't care in the slightest whether their books are new or secondhand, and might even be annoyed you wasted your money on a new one. But even then, if it was a special birthday or something I might feel uncomfortable about that.
  • Yes: if it's a secondary gift in addition to the main one, just something extra to unwrap as a bonus. But only if I knew they were okay with second-hand books in general, and it would probably be a book with a specific reason behind it. And I might refer to the main gift as their "real present" if I had any concerns that they might think I was sending a message by giving a second-hand book.
  • Maybe: if you know each other well, both of you know finances are tight for you, there's some thought gone into the book chosen, and the options are either 1. you give a reasonable-condition second-hand copy of the book you want to give 2. you go without something else to buy them a new copy, or 3. no book at all, some cheaper gift instead that's in budget. It depends on a lot of things… personal sensitivities/family culture/closeness of relationship/expectations and so on. I might not risk this personally, and maybe go for option #3 instead, unless I knew that particular recipient would take it in the spirit of generosity it was given in, and actually be glad that I hadn't spent more on them than I could afford.
  • No: the newest release in their favourite author's series that they collect and display in a row on their bookcase; any book that's designed primarily to be an attractive gift or coffee table book; stuff that's easily-obtainable as a cheap new paperback that I can comfortably afford; a random book picked up just because it was cheap in the charity shop; a gift for a big birthday/some other significant event; situations where you've bought an equivalently-related person (e.g. your brother vs your sister) something obviously new and more expensive (and none of the out-of-print/aesthetic/first edition/special to the person etc. exceptions apply); a recipient who I thought could possibly be upset by, take offence at, or twist the meaning of being given a second-hand book; a recipient who's squeamish about second-hand books and library books in general, and doesn't buy or read them. (Well, unless it was a perfect "they'll never know if you don't tell them" specimen. Anything goes in that case 😈)

I suppose some of the big reasons we give people gifts (other than habit/expectation) are that we want to make them happy, to show them that we know them and care about them, to build or maintain relationships, to stay on the right side of someone, maybe even to create reciprocal ties of obligation. Probably lots of other reasons too. Hopefully it's mostly that first one, making people happy.

With all the possible reasons to give a gift, the effect on that person is what matters to me. It doesn't matter if I think it's silly to be freaked out at the idea of other people's hand-germs on a book, or if I genuinely don't mean to insult or demean someone by giving them a second-hand book. If I think there's a chance that the recipient will interpret the underlying message of my gift as less "I care about you and thought that this present would make you happy" and more "I don't think you're worth the expense of a new book/I've given you something used and dirty because I don't care that it makes you uncomfortable/whatever", and therefore it won't make them happy or help build/maintain our relationship, then I won't give that gift, because it probably won't achieve what I want it to, whether I personally feel they should just be grateful or not.

But if a recipient is determined to find SOMETHING about your gift to take umbrage at, then they'll find something no matter how thoughtful you are.

Manara · 16/12/2024 12:46

Perfect opportunity to tell her that as you have different views on gifts then let's stop exchanging gifts from now on.

LockForMultiball · 16/12/2024 13:04

I should clarify: that list of yesses and noes is my personal list, the decisions I'd make based on my own experiences, family background, and the people I'm likely to be giving presents to. I realise that everyone is going to have different personal experience, know different people with different attitudes, and will weigh up the factors differently. Or might even choose to ignore all complications and just give the damn book if they want to Grin

Wendolino · 16/12/2024 13:11

@Petergriffinschins
I can't understand this. I can sort of understand not fancying a second hand book (I found squashed snot between pages once) but a DVD? If you were that fussy you could wipe the cover with bleach and hold the disc with a tissue!
Or is it not that and just because it's cheaper second hand? I can't see why that would matter, you still see the same film even if it's been played 100 times!
You're right, people are weird.

Girasole02 · 16/12/2024 13:12

I would have been thrilled to receive the gifts you gave her. In future I'd be tempted to put £5 in a card and she can choose her own. I've done exactly this following years of snide comments and put downs. I will still get them but not at the expense of my effort and good intentions.

MrsMitford3 · 16/12/2024 13:23

My book club does a secret santa book exchange and they have to be second hand. New is frowned upon...

MumChp · 16/12/2024 13:25

Last time I would gift her. She is a brat.

ThisIsSockward · 16/12/2024 13:26

Used books in good condition are perfectly good gifts and If I'm making a wish list that includes a book, I usually specifically mention that used is fine. Considering that all she gave you was a bookmark...

Betsybee88 · 16/12/2024 13:52

My kids (5,12 & 15) love to pick up books from a charity shop/carboot/vinted etc.
Now if a teen can accept a charity shop gift (which I buy on a regular) a grown adult can.

Petergriffinschins · 16/12/2024 14:00

Wendolino · 16/12/2024 13:11

@Petergriffinschins
I can't understand this. I can sort of understand not fancying a second hand book (I found squashed snot between pages once) but a DVD? If you were that fussy you could wipe the cover with bleach and hold the disc with a tissue!
Or is it not that and just because it's cheaper second hand? I can't see why that would matter, you still see the same film even if it's been played 100 times!
You're right, people are weird.

Edited

Exactly! It’s a film that’s not in DVD production anymore so you can’t buy it new anyway and it’s not on streaming services. She was sad about it. I saw it in a charity shop a few days before her birthday and thought of her, so bought it, I thought it would make her happy.

See, I’d have been made up that someone had listened to me and thought of me enough to grab something I wanted. But no. To the in-laws I disrespectful as it was someone else’s old cast off. Which, as it’s out of production, is the only way you are going to get one. They don’t speak to me now.

Barleysugar86 · 16/12/2024 14:16

I buy new books for my Dad who I'd expect to be judgy, but second hand for my eco conscious Mum who actually sees it as a plus. I buy second hand for anything now out of print.

I have bought my son a second hand box set of books for Christmas because the cover art was lovely and this version was no longer sold - I couldn't stand the modern cartoon like cover art the new style books came with.

So overall if in very good condition it shouldn't matter, but I wouldn't go second hand if there were the same alternatives available new.

Your mum was rude to say anything though.

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