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I am not sure my children should get too close to my mum

33 replies

Roberta2020 · 13/12/2024 23:27

Hi all,

I am literally banging my head on the wall about this so trying to see if people can tell me if I have to sort myself out or what.
I am 33. My parents were young parents & they were very busy career-wise, so my mum left me with my granny's for the first 3 yrs of my life, give or take nights. After that, l started nursery and lots of aunties and the other grandparents took collective care of me while mum and dad were working/abroad. My mum effectively appeared in my life around age 6, when we moved into a big house. It was me, mum, dad, and my little sis (she had been practically raised by an aunt until that point). I have bad memories of my mum. It's not her fault - she is a generous person and always tries to make things work smoothly - but really she has made my life hard at times. She shouted a lot, both to us and to dad (and, to date, I still cannot bear people shouting at me). She had to have everything perfectly clean and tidy at all times, so we were only allowed to play quietly and tidily. She slapped us regularly (once she dislocated my arm by pulling me) for talking back or for being naughty. She was always angry - I think because she had to juggle her/ job and two daughters. Then we grew up, and she started constantly criticising our appearance, and in particular, she had these things she used to say often about me - that I was lazy and that I was weird. So I grew up thinking that I was lazy and weird, and to patch myself up, I spent my teenage years and early twenties working my ass off both studying to achieve top marks, and to do actual work to earn some money; and I tried desperately to become 'normal' like she wanted me to be. I did all she wanted me to do: attended the schools she wanted me to attend, played an instrument like she wanted me to do, and went to parties I did not enjoy because she wanted me to socialise with my high-class classmates.
My childhood was happy, because I was surrounded by grannies and aunties, but from age 10 onwards I really had a hellish time. My sister too. As a result, we both developed mental health disorders - I had anorexia, my sister had depression.
My mum is not a bad person. I can see that she did what she did because she wanted us to become something, to have lots of skills, and to be able to face the world. However, both me and my sister got hurt badly.
Fast forward twenty years (I left home at 20, became financially independent at 22 and did not loock back). I'm happily married & a mother of three. I see my parents twice a year, and after every time I almost need a round of therapy because of my mum, who has not improved with time. Worse than that, my mother is not very good with my children either. She expects them to be quiet, tidy and perfect. To never talk back. To eat perfectly. To never do anything naughty like running in the house or singing too loud. She terrifies them saying stuff like 'if you don't come here now, all of your toys will go into the bin!', and so on.
I am so worried my children will be scarred by what my mum does and says.
I don't want to hurt my mum, because, after all, she is my mum, and I owe her at least for my education. However, I am not sure my children should get too close to her. I am worried they might get hurt.

Am I being unreasonable? Am I being spoilt/oversensitive?
Please help & suggestions.

R

OP posts:
MaybeALittle · 13/12/2024 23:40

Twice a year isn’t going to cause lasting harm, especially if you give them the skills to manage her. I’ve always talked to DS about both his grandmothers’ problematic behaviours and modelled that it’s possible to have both an affectionate relationship and good boundaries around someone difficult.

Merryoldgoat · 13/12/2024 23:44

YANBU @Roberta2020

I’m sorry you experienced such a hard upbringing. Personally I’d keep my children well away from her. I have a family member who is very similar and I keep away from her - I’m much happier for it.

user1473878824 · 13/12/2024 23:44

Pal you don’t owe her anything!

Wasywasydoodah · 13/12/2024 23:51

Yes, say to them the rules at granny’s house are different and it’s only for a day or however long. If she says mean stuff then say in a breezy way ‘oh we don’t put toys in the bin, do we’ and move on. Then the kids know you’ve got their backs, and they’ll be absolutely fine.

RogueFemale · 13/12/2024 23:53

@Roberta2020 "She shouted a lot, both to us and to dad (and, to date, I still cannot bear people shouting at me). She had to have everything perfectly clean and tidy at all times, so we were only allowed to play quietly and tidily. She slapped us regularly (once she dislocated my arm by pulling me) for talking back or for being naughty. She was always angry - I think because she had to juggle her/ job and two daughters. Then we grew up, and she started constantly criticising our appearance, and in particular, she had these things she used to say often about me - that I was lazy and that I was weird."

Your mother sounds horrible. She has traumatised you to the extent you got anorexia, and your sister depression. You say she hurt both of you badly. Why are you apologising for her? Personally, I would go no contact and I'm fairly sure you'll feel a lot better.

RogueFemale · 13/12/2024 23:55

@Roberta2020 Keep away from toxic people. It works wonders.

Onthefence87 · 13/12/2024 23:55

Please stop making excuses for her! She abused you physically and emotionally and neglected you completely.....she IS a bad person! In this day and age you would very likely have been removed from her care for that sort of physical abuse.None of what she did is excusable for any reason.You were a child and she should have done better.
And worst of all, she has not learnt her lesson and is STILL behaving the same!
Even if your kids only see her occasionally it could still be damaging with the sort of way she is treating them and comments she is making.To be honest I'm suprised you are letting them anywhere near her when she has behaved like that towards them and you.It sounds like a trauma bond you have with her but please get her out of your kids lives (and yours too) she is not a nice person and does not deserve any contact, at least unless she changes her behaviours and apologises (which is sadly very unlikely)

Motnight · 13/12/2024 23:56

MaybeALittle · 13/12/2024 23:40

Twice a year isn’t going to cause lasting harm, especially if you give them the skills to manage her. I’ve always talked to DS about both his grandmothers’ problematic behaviours and modelled that it’s possible to have both an affectionate relationship and good boundaries around someone difficult.

It might. Op is terrified of her mother. This isn't good relationship modelling.

TheSeagullsSquawk · 13/12/2024 23:57

That sounds really hard and as pp said you don't owe her anything. Possibly you should get some therapy to work through what you want your relationship with her to be

However if you decide you want to see her a couple of times a year your kids will be fine. Just acknowledge their feelings and make it clear you all need to be polite to your mum in her own home but that doesn't make her right. Stay somewhere else and roll your eyes together about 'how bonkers is Grandma'. - it's wonderfully validating to have your family on your side. Cos you are clearly great and she's the one with issues.

RogueFemale · 14/12/2024 00:02

@Roberta2020 However, I am not sure my children should get too close to her. I am worried they might get hurt.
Am I being unreasonable? Am I being spoilt/oversensitive?

You are correct to worry she might hurt your children. She hurt you and your sister. She physically abused you, dislocated your arm, and went on to psychologically abuse you.

You are not being unreasonable, spoilt or oversensitive. These are the accusations that abusive parents make when their children complain.

RogueFemale · 14/12/2024 00:08

TheSeagullsSquawk · 13/12/2024 23:57

That sounds really hard and as pp said you don't owe her anything. Possibly you should get some therapy to work through what you want your relationship with her to be

However if you decide you want to see her a couple of times a year your kids will be fine. Just acknowledge their feelings and make it clear you all need to be polite to your mum in her own home but that doesn't make her right. Stay somewhere else and roll your eyes together about 'how bonkers is Grandma'. - it's wonderfully validating to have your family on your side. Cos you are clearly great and she's the one with issues.

OP's mother sounds extremely toxic and dangerous. It's not just 'bonkers' to dislocate a child's arm by violently pulling it. I say no contact.

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 14/12/2024 00:19

My mum is not a bad person

Actually she really is. I would not allow any contact

HoppityBun · 14/12/2024 00:22

I put YABU because you love your children and are aware of what they need. You see their point of view and they will not - imv- be harmed by seeing your mother because they have your love and care

Eenameenadeeka · 14/12/2024 00:23

She sounds incredibly awful, I wouldn't want her anywhere near the children

Onthefence87 · 14/12/2024 00:27

People are saying low level contact won't do any harm but actually yes it might....horrible comments or abusive/frightening/intimidating behaviours even if occasional can stay with someone for life, and watching their mum's what are likely fearful and passive lifelong-learnt behaviours around her mother isn't healthy either.
Whatever you decide though OP, please please NEVER leave them alone with her.

RogueFemale · 14/12/2024 00:30

@Roberta2020 My mum is not a bad person. I can see that she did what she did because she wanted us to become something, to have lots of skills, and to be able to face the world. However, both me and my sister got hurt badly.

Your mother's method of physical and psychological abuse was obviously harmful and abusive.

It wasn't done to achieve something positive in your life. Would you think this a good way to encourage your own children? Obviously not.

You need to confront the fact that your mother is essentially a harmful and toxic person and you should stay away from her and don't let her harm your children.

MsCactus · 14/12/2024 00:36

OP I had a grandmother who was abusive to my mum. It affected by mum a lot but it didn't affect me whatsoever. In fact I could never understand why my mum was so upset by the daft things she said.

Your parents see your children twice a year - it won't affect them whatsoever. It's not their mum or close relative. It's you these visits will affect

RogueFemale · 14/12/2024 00:37

HoppityBun · 14/12/2024 00:22

I put YABU because you love your children and are aware of what they need. You see their point of view and they will not - imv- be harmed by seeing your mother because they have your love and care

OP says her children are terrified of her mother. How is fear of their grandmother a good thing?

Nodlikeyouwerelistening · 14/12/2024 00:39

Protect your children at all costs from anyone who would do them harm. It’s that simple.

RogueFemale · 14/12/2024 00:39

MsCactus · 14/12/2024 00:36

OP I had a grandmother who was abusive to my mum. It affected by mum a lot but it didn't affect me whatsoever. In fact I could never understand why my mum was so upset by the daft things she said.

Your parents see your children twice a year - it won't affect them whatsoever. It's not their mum or close relative. It's you these visits will affect

Well, there's a truly heartwarming story.

But OP's kids are saying they're terrified of granny.

Grmumpy · 14/12/2024 00:44

If you feel very unhappy after the visit I would avoid them. This is as important as how your children feel.

GravyBoatWars · 14/12/2024 01:32

Neither you nor your children deserve to be subjected to this. You don't have a relationship with your mum and neither do your DC outside of these visits that terify your children and make their mother anxious and miserable after for the sake of... what? Obligation to protect the feelings of someone who abused you as a child and has shown zero inclination in changing her behavior?

Part of our job as parents is to teach our children that relationships are two-way streets, to care for themselves and set standards for what sort of treatment to accept from people in our lives. That includes family, who don't get some sort of free pass to treat us however they please. Don't teach them that when someone intentionally frightens and intimidates them and shows no regard for their happiness or wellbeing they should just keep showing up for more of the same. Right now what they're experiencing is that mum keeps taking them back to this person she knows is terrifying to them (and I'm guessing terrifying to mum). I understand how impossible it must feel to stand up to your mother, but it's time.

If you want to keep trying visits then please consider having them in a neutral place where you don't have to bow to her rules as guests and can leave if she can't be kind and polite. Tell her without room for debate what you won't have your children subjected to. Your mum is fully capable of changing her behavior if the visits are important to her.

timetodecide2345 · 14/12/2024 03:17

She abused you. You can make excuses for her but I wouldn't let my child near her. There's a payoff she's got to accept for doing what she did.

TammyJones · 14/12/2024 03:58

Merryoldgoat · 13/12/2024 23:44

YANBU @Roberta2020

I’m sorry you experienced such a hard upbringing. Personally I’d keep my children well away from her. I have a family member who is very similar and I keep away from her - I’m much happier for it.

Why do people/ daughters put themselves through thus, under guise of ' well you only have one mum' rubbish???
She was awful to you.
Still is.
Stay well clear of her.

TammyJones · 14/12/2024 03:59

RogueFemale · 13/12/2024 23:53

@Roberta2020 "She shouted a lot, both to us and to dad (and, to date, I still cannot bear people shouting at me). She had to have everything perfectly clean and tidy at all times, so we were only allowed to play quietly and tidily. She slapped us regularly (once she dislocated my arm by pulling me) for talking back or for being naughty. She was always angry - I think because she had to juggle her/ job and two daughters. Then we grew up, and she started constantly criticising our appearance, and in particular, she had these things she used to say often about me - that I was lazy and that I was weird."

Your mother sounds horrible. She has traumatised you to the extent you got anorexia, and your sister depression. You say she hurt both of you badly. Why are you apologising for her? Personally, I would go no contact and I'm fairly sure you'll feel a lot better.

Nailed it.
Problem solved- unless you get off in the drama ?

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