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DS upset at library removal of books

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Scallybatch · 13/12/2024 21:12

Went into my local library today with DS, only to be told they have removed all Tin Tin and Asterix books! He was really upset as these are his favourite books!. All the lady could tell me is that they had been told to as they upset some people. I'm baffled. Would I be unreasonable to complain?

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LovePoppy · 13/12/2024 22:36

Edit due to Doubled post

LovePoppy · 13/12/2024 22:37

They have been removed in some Ontario, Canada libraries as well. After viewing the photos, I get it.

DS upset at library removal of books
DS upset at library removal of books
ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 13/12/2024 22:38

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 13/12/2024 21:37

There are two Tintins that are particularly problematic - Tintin in the Land of the Soviets and Tintin in the Congo.
It should be noted that both of these were produced when Herge was working for a Catholic Church newsletter in Belgium. Thankfully, they are rarely published now and hard to find.

I was at a conference where the depictions of different ethnic groups in Tintin was discussed and a point made by several POC attendees was that they don't want books removed, they want such books discussed and read so that its understood why there has been so much prejudice and why it might continue now (and the consequences for POC now).

It's most certainly not up to me to tell black people what they should or shouldn't want with regard to this issue - but surely there's a huge difference between books that are aimed at adults, who can read the warnings, maybe know the context of a problematic book and/or author and make an informed decision whether or not to read it and how to respond; as opposed to a book that's clearly aimed at children, who will see the attractive illustrated cover and pick it up to read, and then be faced with nasty racist language and gross depictions of them, when they should, at their age, be able to pick up a children's book, enjoy it and be free from all of the racist nastiness?

Personally, I'm very anti-censorship for adults; but I do think that there are plenty of things that young children should be firmly protected and shielded from.

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:38

Do you really think that looks like black people? If so, you have a big problem.
Have you ever seen a black person who looks like that? Of course not.

How bloody insulting for you to think a caricature closely resembles a real live person? They resemble a black person in the same way that a leprechaun resembles an Irish person!

Go away and look up caricature and stop swallowing all the ill thought out shit that is coming our way.

tmont1956 · 13/12/2024 22:40

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:38

Do you really think that looks like black people? If so, you have a big problem.
Have you ever seen a black person who looks like that? Of course not.

How bloody insulting for you to think a caricature closely resembles a real live person? They resemble a black person in the same way that a leprechaun resembles an Irish person!

Go away and look up caricature and stop swallowing all the ill thought out shit that is coming our way.

What are you talking about? They were drawn MEANING to represent black people.

MuddyPawsIndoors · 13/12/2024 22:41

Scallybatch · 13/12/2024 21:20

I did ask..she didn't really give much away!

But what did she actually say?

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:43

Do you think this looks like an Englishman? No, again it;s a caricature.

CowboyJoanna · 13/12/2024 22:43

Political correctness gone mad Grin

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:45

Do you think this looks like an Englishman? See a lot of these do you? Look like your dad or your husband?
No.of course not. It's called a caricature.

DS upset at library removal of books
Phoebefail · 13/12/2024 22:45

Which Local Authority is this please?

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:46

tmont1956 · 13/12/2024 22:40

What are you talking about? They were drawn MEANING to represent black people.

It is hard to educate those who have drunk the Cool Aid which is why we're in the shit we're in.

SpiritAdder · 13/12/2024 22:46

tmont1956 · 13/12/2024 22:34

Do you really think this is appropriate for children?

It shows how awful slave based empires were- Romans really did buy matching slaves to haul them around on litters.

Other parts of that volume show caricatures of African royalty and warriors too.

steff13 · 13/12/2024 22:46

user1494050295 · 13/12/2024 21:31

It’s bull shit. I used to work for Waterstones and the Americans had to buy their tin tins etc in the uk. Same as the mr men series. I would strongly complain.

Why?

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:47

SpiritAdder · 13/12/2024 22:46

It shows how awful slave based empires were- Romans really did buy matching slaves to haul them around on litters.

Other parts of that volume show caricatures of African royalty and warriors too.

A true representation would have the African chiefs selling the slaves. let's see a bit more of that.

anniegun · 13/12/2024 22:49

A quick google search shows Asterix and Tin Tin available in many local libraries. I suggest asking the local council library services about their unavailability before jumping to the conclusion they have been "banned"

steff13 · 13/12/2024 22:49

Tiddlywinkly · 13/12/2024 21:43

What's wrong with Mr Men books?

They gave away Mr Men books in Arby's kids' meals when I was little. I'm in the US. 🤷‍♀️

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 13/12/2024 22:52

StinkerTroll · 13/12/2024 22:35

Books in libraries get weeded, something that is old and scruffy gets recycled, they possibly have a date cut off as well (at our local library it's 10 years give or take), something that isn't going out will be ditched and replaced with something that will be borrowed. Anything that isn't going out won't be replaced. Ask why it was withdrawn by all means but don't automatically assume it was withdrawn due to complaints.

I completely get why this policy makes sense. However, a part of me finds it a bit sad that there may be rarer old gems in the library that aren't so commonly found in bookshops anymore, just waiting to be discovered and enjoyed, which could then be chucked out and replaced with a whole load of recent stuff that most people are already familiar with.

I wonder if any efforts are taken to promote the books that aren't borrowed at all; i.e. are people seeing them and deciding that they don't interest them, or are they just not seeing them at all in the first place?

I guess my thinking is that libraries shouldn't just be for the most 'bums on seats' books - although obviously, shelf space is at a premium. Just as BBC4 will show many programmes that only a minority of people will ever want to watch, I think there's a place for preserving non-popular, but (to the right audience) very fascinating and informative content. If BBC4 started showing Mrs Brown's Boys instead of its usual scheduling, it would get a much, much larger viewership; but that simply isn't what it's there for.

Is it the Bodleian Library - and maybe another(s) - that automatically receives a copy of every single book that is published in the UK (presumably at least by recognised publishers, if not all the self-published ones)? The vast majority of those books will have a vanishingly small audience, but I still think a library is very much where they belong. I know we have the internet now, but I don't see the sole purpose of libraries as needing to only cater to the populist titles, without there being a place to house and 'protect' the worthy but low-interest titles.

EwwSprouts · 13/12/2024 22:58

Some of the Tin Tin books are racist and Captain Haddock is clearly an alcoholic. I used to read the whole book in the shop before I bought any as DS liked them and some are okay. The library policy sounds like a blanket ban.

mitogoshigg · 13/12/2024 22:58

@user1494050295

I used to live in the USA and you definitely could buy mr men books, I bribed my daughter with them because she was obsessed with them

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 13/12/2024 23:01

This is like real life imitating bad jokes, in a way...

A woman goes into a bookshop in Yorkshire and asks "Do you have the latest book featuring that Belgian boy-detective with the little white dog?"

The assistant says "Tintin?"

"Ah, no problem," she replies, "I'll try again next week."

Sorry, all - as you were...!

MumWifeOther · 13/12/2024 23:02

Scallybatch · 13/12/2024 21:35

I would at least like to know why.

Surely a little Google or a flick through the asterix books and their racist caricatures might help you put two and two together… you could then explain to your son how this is inappropriate and offensive to many.

UrsulasHerbBag · 13/12/2024 23:04

My DS LOVES his Asterix books (he got his uncles full set), DS still loves the stories and the characters he just knows what bits are old fashioned/offensive. We just talked it through simply. Kids should be able to see images that make them uncomfortable and address why things are different now. You can get them all on Amazon in omnibus’s.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 13/12/2024 23:04

MyLadyGreensleeves · 13/12/2024 22:45

Do you think this looks like an Englishman? See a lot of these do you? Look like your dad or your husband?
No.of course not. It's called a caricature.

He looks confident and prosperous.

Not subservient, like the black people are portrayed.

How can you not see the difference?

Racism is already prevalent in our society, You really don't need to let your kids view these these nasty colonial stereotypes when their brains are not yet developed enough to adopt their own critical viewpoint.

Bowietips · 13/12/2024 23:04

RosieLeaf · 13/12/2024 22:16

They need some new ones

Mr All Behaviour is Communication

Miss Star of the Week didn’t throw any chairs today

Ms Brain isn’t fully developed until 25

😂😂😂

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