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Left out at work?

61 replies

NevilleLong · 12/12/2024 17:30

Not sure if I'm being unreasonable or not.

Jacob's join is a frequent event at my place of work and I always cook and contribute. Normally a list is put up on the staff room door. This time there wasn't.

Overheard a conversation today about it, a colleague asked me what I was bringing. Explained I hadn't been told about it and know nothing about it. She said doesn't matter you can still eat something.

Colleague who has organised it is bringing her halogen oven so everyone can warm up food.

Just so happens, I stuck up for another colleague to the person who has organised the jacons join as she is almost impossible to work with. Think bossy, micromanaging, reading your emails etc.

I've got a lot of stress at home atm but to be deliberately left out, is not something I would personally do.

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ThatEllie · 13/12/2024 00:42

Stephy1886 · 13/12/2024 00:29

Is this the yank “pot luck” thing where people bring in dishes from home?

fook that

I’d be happy not being involved

From @madaboutpurple above:

”I asked google and it told me Jacob's Join is a northern expression for an event where everybody brings something to share at a lunch or event. I am Northern and never heard of that.”

buttonousmaximous · 13/12/2024 01:34

I'm northern and never heard of a Jacob's join. We call them fuddles (although it's usually more of a buffet)

BananaNirvana · 13/12/2024 01:36

EmberAsh · 12/12/2024 19:47

Missing the point but I have never heard of a Jacob's Join before.

Me neither 😄

BurgundyBear · 13/12/2024 01:43

I’m northern and I do know what a Jacob’s Join is.

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 06:44

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 12/12/2024 23:56

I don't really understand the issue with reading emails in a shared mailbox. Are you sure that you weren't overreacting when you "stuck up for" your other colleague? Maybe because you're stressed at home?

We have a shared mailbox but emails come in for us individually. My colleague missed an email because it was opened marked read and dealt with so it was missed by her so no I wasn't overreacting.

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NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 06:46

NewName24 · 12/12/2024 22:36

Also aside, I've been to lots of 'shared lunches' or 'bring and share' meals, but never heard that term. I wonder if it is geographical ?

Re the shared mailbox - I mean, isn't the fact it is 'shared' a clue that everyone who has access to that mailbox, is able to read any of the e-mails ? Confused

We have individual emails sent to the mailbox. One was missed as it was marked as read and dealt with.

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NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:02

I need to give more context! Sorry I didn't realise a Jacob's join was a northern thing.
For us it's where everyone is asked to bring something in and have a buffet.

No I don't think I'm being paranoid. We do this quite frequently at work and everyone is normally told about it and then arranges what said person is going to bring. I haven't been told and knew nothing about it.

Further, this with our emails and other things has been going on for weeks. Other colleagues have been approaching me. Our work is getting changed by said individual once we have done it, emails are getting read and missed as they are being marked as read and dealt with when they were not dealt with my the individual whose case it is
Micromanaging has been happening i.e going over to other people, checking where they are up-to with their work and what are they doing about such and such a thing. We are all the same level, with some of us being there and been doing the job a good number of years.

It's been a really stressful situation to navigate. How do you tell someone to stop micromanaging you and other team members without it becoming awkward?
They also then tell the manager that they get left with everything, which simply isn't true, and it makes us feel incompetent.

The stress at home basically I was trying to say I have got stress at home and work and I'm finding it all overwhelming.
So everyone has had enough of the micromanaging and constant critiquing. My colleague missed an email the other day as a result of it being "dealt" with but it wasn't so I confronted her. As a result, I didn't get invited to the "buffet" and asked to bring something in. Everyone else did!

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NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:05

StrawberryWater · 12/12/2024 19:07

If it's just one thing she's left you out of I wouldn't worry too much. If it becomes a pattern, or involves actual work and not a buffet, then complain.

However, it is a Jacobs Join and the idea of them is to bring a dish so perhaps it was assumed, rightly or wrongly, that you would just turn up with something regardless of being asked or not.

I would have turned up with a dish. But I didn't know it was happening!

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NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:06

TheBunyip · 12/12/2024 23:46

Jesus you people

the stress at home is to explain that the OP is perhaps overthinking or reading the situation incorrectly which is why she has posted on here - to gauge other people’s opinions

the person who organized it is someone OP had stood up to when she experienced a colleague being mistreated. This organizer is difficult to work with

A shared mailbox is self explanatory and a very normal thing for a team to have. I.e HR @ big company.com

I’ve never heard of a Jacob’s join either but it was pretty bloody obvious what it was

just be supportive and nice to someone who has obviously been hurt, feels ostracized at work, is looking for support and mentions they are under stress. How hard can that be?

OP I suggest you take the day off or have a pretend important appointment on the lunchtime it’s happening. Step away from the situation and look forward to having a few days off over Xmas. It’ll blow over and doesn’t need to be a big deal. Don’t show she’s got to you (if it was intentional) rise above it etc. good luck

Thank you. I appreciate it Grin

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NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:07

sandyhappypeople · 13/12/2024 00:38

How did everyone else find out, did you ask when you overheard the conversation?

I overhead a conversation. I then said I didn't know it was happening which was true I didn't.

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DreamW3aver · 13/12/2024 07:12

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 13/12/2024 00:10

@NevilleLong We do have our own but we have shared as a team aswell.

can you blanket email everyone necessary and ask to email you directly so she doesnt have access?

Were I work there is a shared email address for certain types of email, of course one memner can't ask for all the emails to be sent to them, that would defeat the whole purpose and you wouldn't have no way of knowing who would be emailing, like an info@ situation

It does sound like you've been excluded OP and there probably isn't an easy solution, do you have a Christmas shut down, maybe some time away will let things be forgotten

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:17

@DreamW3aver No we don't get a Christmas shutdown unfortunately.
I know I'm not being paranoid. As it's said individual who has organised it and asked everyone what to bring. I overheard a conversation late yesterday afternoon when it's happening today.

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MargaretThursday · 13/12/2024 07:24

My parents use the term Jacob's Join.

It sounds more likely a bit disorganised and an accident you didn't know. Maybe it was announced casually when a lot of people were around and people told to tell others, and just happened op fell between the cracks.
That sounds far more likely than a deliberate leaving out.

MaybeALittle · 13/12/2024 07:27

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:02

I need to give more context! Sorry I didn't realise a Jacob's join was a northern thing.
For us it's where everyone is asked to bring something in and have a buffet.

No I don't think I'm being paranoid. We do this quite frequently at work and everyone is normally told about it and then arranges what said person is going to bring. I haven't been told and knew nothing about it.

Further, this with our emails and other things has been going on for weeks. Other colleagues have been approaching me. Our work is getting changed by said individual once we have done it, emails are getting read and missed as they are being marked as read and dealt with when they were not dealt with my the individual whose case it is
Micromanaging has been happening i.e going over to other people, checking where they are up-to with their work and what are they doing about such and such a thing. We are all the same level, with some of us being there and been doing the job a good number of years.

It's been a really stressful situation to navigate. How do you tell someone to stop micromanaging you and other team members without it becoming awkward?
They also then tell the manager that they get left with everything, which simply isn't true, and it makes us feel incompetent.

The stress at home basically I was trying to say I have got stress at home and work and I'm finding it all overwhelming.
So everyone has had enough of the micromanaging and constant critiquing. My colleague missed an email the other day as a result of it being "dealt" with but it wasn't so I confronted her. As a result, I didn't get invited to the "buffet" and asked to bring something in. Everyone else did!

Oh, for heaven’s sake, OP. You are paranoid. Maybe the notice about the sharing meal was in an email you didn’t see because your manager had marked it as ‘read’. Isn’t that just as possible, given the issues you describe? And I absolutely fail to see why you regard not being told about the Jacob’s Join as a ‘punishment’ — surely it means you’re relieved of the task of making a dish and carting it to work? Or, now that you know about it, you can bring something anyway?

It sounds like a minor issue compared to the situation with the incompetently-managed mailbox anyway.

RedHelenB · 13/12/2024 07:33

You shouldn't have interfered on behalf of your colleague.

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:36

RedHelenB · 13/12/2024 07:33

You shouldn't have interfered on behalf of your colleague.

It's happening to all of us all of the time so yes we are at the ends of our tethers!

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NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:37

@MaybeALittle It wasn't in an email at all. It was verbally arranged. I found out by overhearing a conversation later on in the week!!

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MaybeALittle · 13/12/2024 07:46

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:37

@MaybeALittle It wasn't in an email at all. It was verbally arranged. I found out by overhearing a conversation later on in the week!!

So what’s the issue, exactly? From what you say, it hasn’t happened yet, and now you know about it, so either bring something on the day, or don’t bring something and eat what other people bring. If someone queries you not bringing a dish, say ‘No one told me!’

I think I if I had a lot of stress going on at home, I’d probably be deeply relieved not to have to cook a dish to take to work on top of it all!

Baconking · 13/12/2024 08:03

Can you not colour code the emails in the shared mailbox. That's what we do, each colleague has a category colour and the person working on the email colours it so we know it's being dealt with

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 08:21

Baconking · 13/12/2024 08:03

Can you not colour code the emails in the shared mailbox. That's what we do, each colleague has a category colour and the person working on the email colours it so we know it's being dealt with

We do do that. But unfortunately they are being colour coded and read by a different person so therefore the person who it's intended for thinks its something they have already dealt with when they haven't in fact even read it!

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PinkTonic · 13/12/2024 08:28

Baconking · 13/12/2024 08:03

Can you not colour code the emails in the shared mailbox. That's what we do, each colleague has a category colour and the person working on the email colours it so we know it's being dealt with

It doesn’t sound like the OP is looking for advice on managing a shared mailbox, rather that the annoying person opens emails that are not hers to deal with and marks them complete. If this is happening frequently it’s reasonable to assume it’s deliberate or that she’s incompetent. Either way it’s appropriate to escalate to management as it’s detrimental to the team and workflow.

TheBluntTurtle · 13/12/2024 08:36

It’s rubbish to be left out of things OP- I’m sorry you were forgotten about this time. But if it is a one off it could just be an honest mistake. If I were you I would monitor the situation as pp have suggested - see if you are invited to future events. If you are left out of future events then it would be the time to raise with your line manager and ask why this is happening and tell them how it makes you feel.

NewName24 · 13/12/2024 17:09

I agree with @MaybeALittle 's posts.

However, if this shared mailbox is causing issues amongst your team, (and it isn't very clear how it is supposed to work to me) then surely the sensible thing to do would be to go to the Manager and say "the system as it is, isn't working, can we do x / y / z instead?" rather than having a go at a colleague ?

Coconutter24 · 13/12/2024 17:23

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 07:17

@DreamW3aver No we don't get a Christmas shutdown unfortunately.
I know I'm not being paranoid. As it's said individual who has organised it and asked everyone what to bring. I overheard a conversation late yesterday afternoon when it's happening today.

Did you ask the organiser if everyone was invited?

NevilleLong · 13/12/2024 17:25

@Coconutter24 yes everybody was invited.

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