we all agree on the need for more houses but just not here !!

[billysboy]

As title really , everyone seems to agree on the need for more houses regardless of type but doesnt want them here ,
Green belt is supposed to ring fence existing settlements , I like the idea mooted this morning about Wild Belts to encourage wildlife etc ,
I cannot see how this government or any other hopes to build there way out of a crisis where in a lot of places it seems to be 10 x income to get a foot on the ladder
Ultimately it would seem lower house prices would be good for everyone apart from those in negative equity or using housing as an investment rather than a place to call home and the only way to achieve this is to oversupply the market causing prices to remain static whilst wages / income catch up
I thinks its unreasonable how long planning can take on a small domestic extension let alone 300k + house s needed per annum so cannot see how Angela Raynor thinks she will achieve this

No easy answer on this one

8% of the uk is built upon - so that leaves 92% to build upon and a million and a half houses a year isn't going to make 2% difference over a 5 year government term

You don’t need more houses…. You need better and cheaper transport links!

faster trains to get you into London …. Shouldn’t cost the price of a small car annually

No we're not 'importing' that many people. Try again.

£700 a month it costs DH to commute 35miles into London. Heinous. The shit transport outside of London keeps everyone stagnant imo.

Reducing the population how?
'Too many people trying to use services designed for far fewer' is arse-backwards thinking and quite weird. We need to redesign – or adequately resource and finance – the services to accommodate more people.

I feel very strongly that the primary policy should be reducing the population

Maybe we could have a mass cull.

Boer-style 'camps' like in the old days?

You’re right, in 2023 it was 1.2million.

Apologies, I should have said 'net migration': commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/#:~:text=The%20latest%20estimates%20on%20migration,and%20out%20of%20the%20country.

Missed that opportunity in the pandemic, apparently.

Oh yeah. No problem with migration at all. Nothing to see here.

You won’t object to building in your backyard then.

Somehow the proponents of high migration have the biggest problem with house building next to them.

And arrests for alleged bribery offences.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx264y0n9xzo

I live in London Zone 2; there is plenty of building 'in my backyard'. As per my earlier posts, I very much enjoy living here. I think high-density living makes a great deal of sense for reasons including access to facilities/solving of transport issues for those without resort to a car.
Sorry to rain on your parade.

Londoners seem to have the view that they can’t get the same experience anywhere else and other people just don’t “get it.” They identify as Londoners above anything and can’t fathom life outside of London. There’s been research into Londoners and identity. I just find it odd. I do not get the hype around London at all, no offence. Example

I think the problem quite obviously is that there is no money to give to the councils. We’re fucked as a country.

The biggest issue is the lack of social housing and private rental costs. It then costs councils far too much to pay privately.

They need to build more council houses of differing sizes and if we have to have full estates of them, why not? Somewhere along the line there seems to have become a big stigma about council estates but when I was a child most of my mates lived on one and no one took a blind bit of notice at the difference.

Well, in terms of sheer quantity of 'things', London does have more things and more variety of them. That's not a value judgement, just an effect of the scale and density of the place. Whether one likes having more stuff/variety or would rather live somewhere with less is, of course, a personal preference.

I don't know what 'can’t fathom life outside of London' means; I've spent plenty of my life not living here, I also visit and stay in other places, and I 'fathom' it just fine, if what you mean is am able to get around/understand people/enjoy places.

I don't know what 'hype' you mean either. I offered my personal experience and opinion; I'm not trying to shill for London.

I must say I find much more expressed dislike/resentment/uninformed opinions about London by people who live elsewhere than I do the reverse.

How do people vote with their feet and move when the jobs aren’t there?

I agree , we are most definitely' fucked '
( unless your rich )

You don’t know a lot of things clearly. I literally said there’s studies into it. Google it if you’re oh so confused.

You use quite an aggressive tone and I'm not understanding why. I was offering my experience and opinion as a discussion point, but I feel like you would like a different, maybe more combative exchange. I'm not up for that.

Rayner should get on with it. We can’t pretend the country doesn’t need it or think we live in a world where housing is easy to get.

Where I live the nimbyism is off the charts. Mostly old people who have housing opposing the young who don’t. It’s distasteful and self serving. Building is good, our children will benefit assuming the housing is not those bullshit luxury developments we’ve had in the last decade. It should be done for the young and those starting out.

They should build new towns rather than ever increasing urban sprawl. Towns that are designed for active transport and public transport with sufficient schools, doctor etc.

Also there are so many empty urban buildings - these should be brought back into use. Governments may need to subsidise renovation. In my small town there's several empty rundown buildings - that could probably make 50 affordable homes near to amenities.

Yabu lots of the green belt is pretty horrible.