we all agree on the need for more houses but just not here !!

[billysboy]

As title really , everyone seems to agree on the need for more houses regardless of type but doesnt want them here ,
Green belt is supposed to ring fence existing settlements , I like the idea mooted this morning about Wild Belts to encourage wildlife etc ,
I cannot see how this government or any other hopes to build there way out of a crisis where in a lot of places it seems to be 10 x income to get a foot on the ladder
Ultimately it would seem lower house prices would be good for everyone apart from those in negative equity or using housing as an investment rather than a place to call home and the only way to achieve this is to oversupply the market causing prices to remain static whilst wages / income catch up
I thinks its unreasonable how long planning can take on a small domestic extension let alone 300k + house s needed per annum so cannot see how Angela Raynor thinks she will achieve this

No easy answer on this one

Why is there no political will?
Is it because politicians don't want to miss out on the backhanders/favours that they get from allowing this?

We also need to build up, not out. 100 or more storey buildings. Cities in the sky, with shops and schools, doctors and hospitals contained within them.

Yes..in the cities.

I am not living 100 floors up after Grenfell thankyou very much

Tried that in the 60s. We've spent fortunes tearing them all down.
Humans aren't meant to live in the air.

I’m curious in that case why it works outside of the UK?

It doesn't not really.

There's few examples of where everyday housing works well in skyscrapers. They are so expensive to maintain and have a relatively short life cycle. The engineering involved in unreal and the second maintenance is reduced they become dystopian hell scapes.

See South Africa Tallest apartment block in Africa - a 55-storey tower in Johannesburg https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6256279/Tallest-apartment-block-Africa-55-storey-dystopian-tower-Johannesburg.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edif%C3%ADcio_S%C3%A3o_Vito

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/surfside-florida-condo-collapse-champlain-towers-south-3-years-later/

And of course, Grenfell and Ronan Point here in the UK.

I think highrise living might not be the best thing, but that doesn't mean we can't get on well in low rise, buildings that are three or four stories high.

Agree with pp no thanks on the 100 stories

We should be at peak anyway as birth rates are falling

Buying a 3 bed property would be a second step up.

For a first property, you can get a 2 bed terrace for about £50k which is perfectly affordable on the medium "up norf" wage. The 3 bed would then be affordable when you'd worked and saved a bit more.

Salaries have certainly not been stagnant for 20 years! In October 2004, the minimum wage for an over-22 year old was £4.85/hour. In 2014 it was £6.50/hour and it's currently £11.44.

For teachers, in 2004 and M1 starting salary was £18,558. It's now £30,000.

Perhaps it's therefore time to get the government to invest in better transport networks up north? I've lived in Liverpool, Leeds, Lincoln and Durham over the last 25 years and had no issues with transport personally...

I don't understand why, instead of crappy new developments in areas that can't support them, no-one proposes refurbishing the many many empty old buildings in towns and cities into flats?

Where can you buy a 2 bed house for 50K? I live in a cheaper area & 2 bed ex council terraces are around £90-100K! 2 bed new builds are nearer £180-190K!

I wonder if stamp duty was reduced for downsizers how much this would affect the housing supply/demand? In that housebuilders might build more 2 & 3 bed houses that are needed as opposed to 4-5 luxury models?

Doncaster 🙄

If you look on Rightmove there are properties for around the £50k mark.

There was a scheme a few years ago where they sold houses in a street in Liverpool for £1, on the basis you had sufficient cash to renovate it and turn it back into a family home. I they offered you £30k loan on a low interest rate.

https://www.chadresearch.co.uk/housing-scheme-helps-tackle-health-inequalities/

I live in a ridiculously expensive area. I've told my DH that once he retires (he's older than me) we can move back up north as I'm a teacher and will earn the same and we can then live mortgage free in the same size house!

Those properties that are 50k in Doncaster need a lot of work doing to them. I'm in the North in one of the worst cities to live in and you can't get anything for 50k.

Then there's the wages. Median icone sounds great but nobody here is earning the Median wage, everyone earns the minimum wage. Skilled jobs here pay.exactly.the same as unskilled. Competition is fierce for what jobs there are.

Asda is a high paying job here.

The UK has the lowest number of empty properties of any country in Europe. That's why our housing market is so pressured and prices are artificially inflated - because there's no slack in the system.

We need to build more housing and we need them now. I'm so bloody sick of people complaining about planning applications - it seems like every single one gets posted on our local FB group by someone asking everyone to object to it and no matter what it is people complain. Large block of flats. Small block of flats. Single house. They'll complain.

Peoples attitudes to new housing could do with some work for sure , one local development met with a fat no from all sides
the community lost out on benefits that it could have had at that point but stubbornly dug their heels in an entrenched their position of no to anything
eventually it went through on appeal with no community benefits or infrastructure that the developers would have been delighted to provide if it meant they had parish council support
madness !

tbh the ones i know who have got decent jobs, have been in art and music, the ones with so called "in demand" jobs, such as computing or science have not, no real world experience..... that may well be down to to the quality of the teaching though but also because employers dont take on new inexp starters, then moan about skills shortages...

Building trades? yes fine but when there is an economic downturn, what then?
and with retirement in the late 60s, is it really a great choice? working outside in a physically demand job, is a for the younger person.

A good friend of ours is a tiler, has done some very prestigious projects, premiership footballers and large dance clubs in Germany and UK... now in his mid 50s, he is fucked, shoulder and knees gone, 2 year NHS wait for the op's he needs.

But as the subject says, we need houses so do need the workforce to build them too. I can relate all too well to the toll manual works leaves on our bodies.