to think home ed families are going to have to accept more oversight?

[DrZaraCarmichael]

To try to prevent more cases like Sara Sharif. Taken out of school - where teachers were raising concerns - and then apparently fell off the radar.

Yes children's services have to look long and hard at themselves but taking a child out of school, especially when there has been previous SS involvement, has to raise a whole field of red flags surely??

I can see how families who are home educating for the right reasons and who have nothing to hide will see this as intrusive and unnecessary. But something has to change, right?

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I think another reason there is a lot of school absence at the moment is schools are very miserable places for a lot of children, Mossbourne may be an extreme example, but lots of secondary academies have a similar approach and philosophy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjd383z9lyo#:~:text=A%20leading%20school%20academy%20trust%20is%20facing%20allegations,the%20Mossbourne%20Federation%20schools%20in%20Hackney%2C%20east%20London.

My friend says her niece's school insists on children showing their vomit before they can go home sick. She is 16.

I can believe it, the intense focus on attendance produces some nutty behavior, and the nutty behavior explains why it is difficult to to trust paid adults with legal powers over our children to act in their best interests.

😂 have you even read this thread?
“simply not allowed” ok 😂

You can see other countries who manage to produce decent teens without all the ridiculous attendance/behaviour etc policy.
Culture is different though and kids are part of everything (back to funerals, weddings, church etc). They are also allowed lots more independence. My 10yo nephew can cook pasta for example, chop wood for fire. He walked himself to school age 7, after first few weeks of starting.
Myself I started secondary school and wanted to board (Nothing like english boarding school though). I didn't fancy 45min bus every day and was independent rnough. Lots of kids do it. I then arrived in UK not knowing anyone at 18.

Peonies007

The education system in the country you're from sounds wonderful.

no i havent read the thread
why do i even need to
i was just giving my opinion

home schooling needs dialling back - it CAN be Unsafe and an excuse to harm the child

It's not perfect by any means but much better for a child. Rarly years framework extended up to 7yo would be a start and it wouldn't cost anything! Checking that each child is school ready (proper eye and hearing tests for eye tracking and auditory processing) would be a start. It doesn't have to cost much at all, but political will just isn't there.
My mum and sister are forever horrified about starting age and length of school day.

Because you’ll hear from many HE families who think your opinion is nonsense and that HE is nothing to do with the sad death of this child. She was a school girl who was failed by the SS, courts and education system. The discussion on here has been a good one in general.

You’ll also see that ‘homeschooling needs dialling back’ is an incredibly naive idea when schools are not the safe place they should be and are failing far too many of our children today. Mentally as well as academically. 30-35% of pupils come out of 12 years of education’ with no qualifications. You clearly know nothing of what home education is.

There is of course that weird illness that started in 2020, which has now of course dissapeared (it hasn't).
My kids and husband got it really bad in February. Husband is never sick but fainted this time. All four of them for almost two weeks was sleep and watch TV. Then it took another 2 weeks to feel good enough to rejoin the clubs etc. They 'missed' education but we place high value on good health and recovery and also not infecting other people. I'm sure school would be going on about attendance. Not their fault, it's government thing.

i dont need to hear @benefitstaxcredithelp
i have read enough elsewere on this issue
here, today, I am anonymous and so giving my opinion. presumably you have skin in the game and dont like my opinion.
a german man telephoned in to jeremy vine show and said Home schooling is simply not allowed in germany

No serious case review ever happened where child was home educated and not known to SS already. So they weren't not seen, they were known but abandoned by SS.

i do know enough about the school system, how they are a form of safety net for vulnerable children. it is a major part of their role. without this where is the safety net.

Peonies007

Do schools in your country have the issues with disruptive behavior that exist in British school? I think a lot of the draconian measures in schools are an effort to deal with this problem, when I was a secondary school we had lesson after lesson ruined by pupils most teachers struggled to manage and with a handful of really quite violent pupils there was an unsafe atmosphere. Now schools are attempting to be much more disciplined, it's just the way it's done is causing other problems.

who can afford to home school,?
the middle classes, who will wring their hands at this.
and are doing so imo
and are outraged that they might be judged

Germans have totally different system though!
Starting at 6, short school days, various other types of schools too. Academic/vocational track choice at 11.
So non-academic kids don't need to do A levels but learn to be engineers/builders etc from young age.

sounds good @Peonies007

How do you tell the difference though?

that is the crux of the matter imo

I really suggest you read the thread, you clearly know very little about this and it's tiresome.

as said, i have no intention of reading other opinions, i am giving my opinion, your opinion is tiresome to me, my opinion is valid

Not really. But then schools don't have to measure skirt length or tell kids to tuck in shirts or have poorly kids in. So teens generally don't rebel much. School days are shorter (only got to 7 hrs days at about 16).
I remember from my school days, we had one kid who would be very clearly severely ADHD by measures today. He got told off by teachers but I don't remember him disturbing learning much.

Schools can only report concerns! They are not allowed to take action.

I say this as a teacher who made numerous reports about one child and was flabbergasted that that this child was still left in the care of the mother. At one point the safeguarding lead came to my class following a meeting with social services and broke down in tears that they were still going home with mum after the child disclosed they had been left alone overnight whilst the mum went out. The priority was keeping the family together and supporting mum.

I reported that child pretty much every week. As did the teachers before me, we cared, we adored that child. All concerns were reported to the right authorities including the police. We did everything we could to protect that child but we cannot force social services to do anything.

Well, in this case..She was on CP plan from before birth. She was in foster care twice. She was seen with unexplained bruises.
SS was a constant presence in her life (or should have been).
If SS cannot tell she isn't being abused, I hold no hope!
She should have been straight on top of top of the file. Probably should have stayed in foster care and not given back to her father.
As soon as there were bruises, on a known to services child (she was in school with bruises for 2 years), she should have been hauled to medical exam. There are powers that LA have.
I live very close. Her house is backing on (different to what she attended) school play area. There would have been teachers. Neighbours heard.
She wasn't not known, she had an enormous giant red flashing light over her for more than 10 years. And no one did anything.

But then schools don't have to measure skirt length or tell kids to tuck in shirts or have poorly kids in.

They didn't do these things when I was at school (I do agree they are pointless) and we still had behavior problems, maybe due to cultural or societal differences?