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Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.

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Ohnonotmeagain · 11/12/2024 13:56

This is the 18 year old lad who had a holiday romance with a 17 year old girl in Dubai. She was just short of 18.

her parents found out and reported him to the Dubai authorities before he returned home.

his poor parents aren’t well off and had to return home to work leaving him there.

he’s now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

aibu to think this poor boy should never have been brought before court.

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Wigglywoowho · 11/12/2024 15:10

He broke the law. Ignorance is not a defence.

LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 11/12/2024 15:11

Goldenbear · 11/12/2024 15:08

Yes but the fact that is so specific i.e had an alcoholic drink in a different context like on an aeroplane and then get jailed - no thank you, that is absurd and completely illogical.

That was 7 or so years ago and laws have massively changed.

Chroomy · 11/12/2024 15:11

Wigglywoowho · 11/12/2024 15:10

He broke the law. Ignorance is not a defence.

When does the girl get her punishment? She did too.
She just escaped the country before it was reported.

nfk · 11/12/2024 15:11

LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 11/12/2024 14:51

It is not an offence for her too. What is her offence here?

The offence in Dubai is under age sex.

She's above the age of criminal responsibility there, and she broke the law by consenting to extramarital sex. The person who they have extramarital sex with is also committing an offence.

It is not the same as UK. That is why the UK comparison is worthless here.

Feelinadequate23 · 11/12/2024 15:12

Goldenbear · 11/12/2024 15:08

Yes but the fact that is so specific i.e had an alcoholic drink in a different context like on an aeroplane and then get jailed - no thank you, that is absurd and completely illogical.

yes but an 18 year old wouldn't know that. They were probably in a tourist hotel full of westerners, with everyone acting the same as they would back home. He likely wouldn't have noticed any strict rules unless they went into the old town and markets for the day.

Goldenbear · 11/12/2024 15:12

Jostuki · 11/12/2024 15:06

He broke the law. His parents should have drummed it in to him what the laws are like out there and as he was 18 it should have been on his mind to research before going on holiday.

Yes, definitely that freedom and fairness, proportionality is not sadly the legal system in place in many of these severe countries.

Xenia · 11/12/2024 15:12

I am not a fan of Dubai, but different countries do have different laws - US v UK etc and it is best to check before you go there. In England until recently you could marry at 16 and that has now been changed to 18 (although if you go up to Scotland you can get married at 18) . Things change all the time - best to avoid casual sex on holiday - never a good idea.

purplecorkheart · 11/12/2024 15:13

When you go to places like Dubai you need to know the law and you need to follow the law regardless of what you think of the law. The fact that if it happened in the UK the outcome would be different is irrelevant.

The fact that her parents reported it is really not an issue. They were both in Dubai and a law was broke, They informed the Police to uphold the law of Dubai which whether we agree or not was their right.

This is why tourists need to educate themselves on the Laws of the Country they are visiting and obey them and not expect special treatment because they are from the UK/EU/USA etc.

nfk · 11/12/2024 15:13

FeegleFrenzy · 11/12/2024 15:10

What happens if 2 married 17yo uk nationals go on their honeymoon to Dubai? I assume both imprisoned if it was thought they’d had sex?

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No, they'll be fine. The laws are specifically for extramarital intercourse.

Anyone who is legally married, of whatever age, is not committing an offence provided the person they have sex with is their own spouse.

Goldenbear · 11/12/2024 15:14

Feelinadequate23 · 11/12/2024 15:12

yes but an 18 year old wouldn't know that. They were probably in a tourist hotel full of westerners, with everyone acting the same as they would back home. He likely wouldn't have noticed any strict rules unless they went into the old town and markets for the day.

Yes, so it's a false sense of security that's why I would never go there or let my DC go there.

AKASammyScrounge · 11/12/2024 15:14

TiramisuThief · 11/12/2024 14:20

There is some real empathy on this thread isn't there?! My goodness.

The poor lad is a child, have you never done anything inadvisable as a teen?

And for those of you braying about how it's the law - did you look up the laws of the country when you went on holidays as a young person? Of course you didn't. Why would you, he would have trusted it was safe, he was with his parents.

If anyone is to blame they are for not properly researching the destination and telling him what's what.

Really sad situation, I'm relived he's"only" got a year but that could be life changing. God only knows what prisons are like there. I hope somehow he can be released to UK custody.

Glad I'm not the only one who is sympathetic to this young man's plight. Did he know the girl was underage? Did he know the law there? Did he fully understand the legal process over there?
I feel so sorry for him, left in a prison among foreign strangers in appalling conditions. He must.be very frightened.
.l hope our embassy can help him in some way. He is just a kid.

LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 11/12/2024 15:14

nfk · 11/12/2024 15:11

The offence in Dubai is under age sex.

She's above the age of criminal responsibility there, and she broke the law by consenting to extramarital sex. The person who they have extramarital sex with is also committing an offence.

It is not the same as UK. That is why the UK comparison is worthless here.

It is sex WITH underage person. She commited no crime.
Unmarried sex is not a a crime.

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 11/12/2024 15:14

Is the race of the girl known? Is that a factor here?

ByMerryKoala · 11/12/2024 15:14

Feelinadequate23 · 11/12/2024 15:12

yes but an 18 year old wouldn't know that. They were probably in a tourist hotel full of westerners, with everyone acting the same as they would back home. He likely wouldn't have noticed any strict rules unless they went into the old town and markets for the day.

He's 18. Is there any reason to think that his general knowledge and powers of reasoning are far worse than that of the vast majority other 18yos- who absolutely would know that it wasn't business as usual in Dubai?

FuckILookLike · 11/12/2024 15:15

You see the girls mum? She’s wicked and vindictive as fuck. Shame on her

nfk · 11/12/2024 15:15

LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 11/12/2024 15:14

It is sex WITH underage person. She commited no crime.
Unmarried sex is not a a crime.

No - it is the act of having extramarital sex, if you are under age or if the other person is under age. Both are offences

Donttellempike · 11/12/2024 15:16

MiraculousLadybug · 11/12/2024 14:00

I'm sorry but when you travel abroad you should know the really big obvious cultural differences that are well-documented. Age of consent and when sex is legal are the first things you should check before travelling and having sex. It's very well known that extramarital sex or premarital sex is forbidden in UAE. For another example, if he'd done it in the US he could have been prosecuted for statutory rape. Her parents were twats though.

Smug as

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/12/2024 15:16

I feel sorry for him
and I feel sorry for the girl who has to live with a mother like this.

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 11/12/2024 15:16

In California, the age of consent is 18, so 18 not that unusual.

LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 11/12/2024 15:17

nfk · 11/12/2024 15:15

No - it is the act of having extramarital sex, if you are under age or if the other person is under age. Both are offences

Neither of them 2 were married???

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 11/12/2024 15:17

Jostuki · 11/12/2024 15:06

He broke the law. His parents should have drummed it in to him what the laws are like out there and as he was 18 it should have been on his mind to research before going on holiday.

I’ve never researched the laws before going on holiday somewhere, but then I’ve never gone somewhere like Dubai.

I think a lot of people on this thread have forgotten what it is to be a teenager about to have sex. No youngster is going to say ‘hold on a minute there. I know we are in the privacy of our hotel room and you have given consent but I, just going to google if I might get arrested.’

Gogogo12345 · 11/12/2024 15:19

Nogaxeh · 11/12/2024 14:35

The age of consent in Dubai is 18. He broke the law.

The age of consent is 18 in lots of countries. It's 17 in Ireland too, although there are some countries with a lower age of consent than Britain's 16.

Imagine if some foreign teenager had sex with a British child of 15. Do you really think the British authorities, let alone the Press, would just let them off?

My friend got pregnant at 14 with a 17 year old. It was consensual.

The UK authorities didn't do anything to them.

Sarah2891 · 11/12/2024 15:19

The mother of the girl is the one who did wrong here. Vile to report him.

NewGreenDuck · 11/12/2024 15:21

Generally speaking if the resident of country A goes to country B where laws are different and breaks the law, would you expect them to be punished?
Not considering the actions of the mother in this.

Ovalframes · 11/12/2024 15:21

That poor lad will be in real danger. That girl's mother is a nasty, vindictive piece of work. Racism figures very highly in this whole thing. Shameful.
Yes I would have told my sons about the laws in Dubai, but this lad's parents may not have known. They must be absolutely frantic.