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Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.

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Ohnonotmeagain · 11/12/2024 13:56

This is the 18 year old lad who had a holiday romance with a 17 year old girl in Dubai. She was just short of 18.

her parents found out and reported him to the Dubai authorities before he returned home.

his poor parents aren’t well off and had to return home to work leaving him there.

he’s now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

aibu to think this poor boy should never have been brought before court.

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Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 19:43

JHound · 11/12/2024 19:34

They amputate limbs in the UAE?

Sharia law is still applicable www.legalreader.com/sharia-law-and-the-uae-what-you-need-to-know/

Loisep · 11/12/2024 19:43

The authorities were purposefully duplicitous. They recorded the boy as Pakistani so he would be more harshly treated.

As someone who is half Indian, I regret ever contributing to Dubai’s economy when I visited. I will never visit the ME again.

I hope the poor boy doesn’t have one stupid transgression effect him in the long term.

ButterMints · 11/12/2024 19:44

Bet some of the responses on here would be very different if it was an 18 year old girl with a 17 year old boy.

I hope the girl disowns her mother for being so spiteful.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 11/12/2024 19:44

The again, it's not my thing to be having sex with someone I've only just met, or know less than a week, whatever.

//

Crikey, back in the day I had plenty of (safe) ONS ... what does that say about me? Grin

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 11/12/2024 19:47

@SavingTheBestTillLast
Quite. Knowing she may never have to look his mum in the eye probably made it easier though.

But I really hope one day she has to.

JHound · 11/12/2024 19:47

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 19:43

I asked about the amputation of limbs.

Sharia Law is such a broad umbrella term but the amputation of limbs is very specific. Do they do that in the UAE?

Let me look it up.

Egads - they do. I am begging people to stop viewing Dubai as like Magaluf!

”In the 21st century, hudud, including amputationof limbs, is part of the legal systems of Afghanistan,[20] Brunei,[21] Iran, Mauritania,[22]Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates,[23]Yemen,[24] and northern part of Nigeria.”

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 11/12/2024 19:50

Fair point @DreamW3aver

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 19:52

JHound · 11/12/2024 19:47

I asked about the amputation of limbs.

Sharia Law is such a broad umbrella term but the amputation of limbs is very specific. Do they do that in the UAE?

Let me look it up.

Egads - they do. I am begging people to stop viewing Dubai as like Magaluf!

”In the 21st century, hudud, including amputationof limbs, is part of the legal systems of Afghanistan,[20] Brunei,[21] Iran, Mauritania,[22]Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates,[23]Yemen,[24] and northern part of Nigeria.”

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This from wiki

Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.
Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.
FelixtheAardvark · 11/12/2024 19:53

Yet more evidence that anyone who goes to Dubai needs their head examined.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 19:55

Sentence of Flogging for defamation of character! @JHound
just another reason not to ever go

not that I ever needed one tbh

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 19:56

JHound · 11/12/2024 19:47

I asked about the amputation of limbs.

Sharia Law is such a broad umbrella term but the amputation of limbs is very specific. Do they do that in the UAE?

Let me look it up.

Egads - they do. I am begging people to stop viewing Dubai as like Magaluf!

”In the 21st century, hudud, including amputationof limbs, is part of the legal systems of Afghanistan,[20] Brunei,[21] Iran, Mauritania,[22]Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates,[23]Yemen,[24] and northern part of Nigeria.”

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the link says amputation of limbs, amongst flogging and stoning to death as punishments allowed in Dubai where sharia law is applied

SereneCapybara · 11/12/2024 20:02

TiramisuThief · 11/12/2024 14:20

There is some real empathy on this thread isn't there?! My goodness.

The poor lad is a child, have you never done anything inadvisable as a teen?

And for those of you braying about how it's the law - did you look up the laws of the country when you went on holidays as a young person? Of course you didn't. Why would you, he would have trusted it was safe, he was with his parents.

If anyone is to blame they are for not properly researching the destination and telling him what's what.

Really sad situation, I'm relived he's"only" got a year but that could be life changing. God only knows what prisons are like there. I hope somehow he can be released to UK custody.

A voice of sanity.

He was 18. On holiday with family. Of course he didn't check what the laws were on holiday romance. Nor would any of us at that age. He did something he knew to be legal in his own country so he probably didn't think twice about it.

The girl's mother is oddly vindictive. DH said: what's the real backstory there? Why would she be so vindictive?

TriesNotToBeCynical · 11/12/2024 20:06

Why would she be so vindictive?

Racism.

Loisep · 11/12/2024 20:17

I suspect that the mother took issue with him
being black

Getonwitit · 11/12/2024 20:35

ThePoshUns · 11/12/2024 18:09

I feel so sorry for this young man.
The parents of the girl involved weee malicious in reporting a consenting and age appropriate sexual act, as they left or had left the country.
I would never go that or nearby countries. Their double standards and hypocrisy are a danger to western tourists.

It was not age appropriate in the country it took place, it was illegal.

stripeyshutters · 11/12/2024 20:40

They will likely like him out for Christmas or new year by Makhtoum.

prh47bridge · 11/12/2024 20:41

EmmaMaria · 11/12/2024 19:28

If you think it wouldn't you don't know what things are like now. 15 is under the age of consent. Full stop and no exceptions that the other person is only 16. Anger and hatred are becoming the norm. Facts no longer matter. After all, I wonder if mum would have cared so much if he wasn't black?

Yes, 15 is under the age of consent but, contrary to what you appear to think (and apologies if I've misunderstood), a 16-year-old who has consensual sex with a 15-year-old will not be prosecuted, still less faced jail time. And no, a 16-year-old foreign boy having sex with a 15-year-old foreign girl would not lead to riots in the UK.

MsCactus · 11/12/2024 21:12

ILoveAnnaQuay · 11/12/2024 18:00

I feel very sorry for him, but he broke the law.

If a 40 year old man came to the UK and had sex with a 12 year old girl on the basis that this was legal in his country, he would be prosecuted. And quite rightly so. Where do you draw the line?

In Dubai, if you report a rape you are arrested for extramarital sex.

I read of one women who's male friend kissed her cheek goodbye in public (she didn't even consent to it) she was jailed for four months.

How can you possibly think Dubia's laws are OK? And 'its fine because they broke the law's?

SoupDragon · 11/12/2024 21:22

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/12/2024 17:51

So it's OK for a 12 year old boy from one of those places to do it, then?

Again, not even remotely comparable.

From a legal standpoint though, neither the 11 year old nor the 12 year old would be prosecuted

avaritablevampire · 11/12/2024 21:36

Bloody woman should have put a chastity belt on her daughter!
She really will be the mother-in-law from hell won't she?! Feel sorry for her daughter, wouldn't surprise me if she had some kind of draconian punishment meted out to her.
Feel extremely sorry for the young man imprisoned and his family. What a sorry mess.
I visited Dubai, I loved the desert, the camels and Bedouin, the history, the 19C architecture of the old city. but the 'new' city was loathsome, and sums up all the ills of the world.

Sorshpans · 11/12/2024 21:40

Loisep · 11/12/2024 19:43

The authorities were purposefully duplicitous. They recorded the boy as Pakistani so he would be more harshly treated.

As someone who is half Indian, I regret ever contributing to Dubai’s economy when I visited. I will never visit the ME again.

I hope the poor boy doesn’t have one stupid transgression effect him in the long term.

Yeah I heard about that too. I mentioned it upthread.

Absolute shocking, they’re almost openly admitting they treat certain nationalities appallingly. I feel sorry for their non-western migrant workers who don’t have wealth behind them.

No country is perfect I know but agreed- Dubai is off my list too and I’m encouraging friends and family not to go.

I have a friend - happens to be Black British - she wants to go and make some tax free income there. I know she’s struggling here as a single woman to pay her mortgages etc, but I’ve told her this isn’t the way. It’s up to her of course but I’ve advised against it.

EasternStandard · 11/12/2024 21:45

He must be so scared to do time, after a holiday and this

Sorshpans · 11/12/2024 21:50

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I don’t know if this is true but I read on this thread his parents knew about it and they knew her parents didn’t approve but went along with it.

I know there’s only so much parents can do to control an 18 years old actions but personally (and they may well have done this tbf) I’d strongly advise my child to steer clear of any man/woman who would be too scared or ashamed to introduce them to his family for ANY reason. Whether it’s skin colour, religion, appearance, class related etc.

I feel sorry for his parents, they are likely not the most well travelled or worldly wise people. This was probably a dream trip they worked hard for and now it’s a nightmare. I’m sure they’re feeling a lot of guilt now.

Sorshpans · 11/12/2024 21:59

oh wow that sharia law info is awful

I’ve just read the girls name - it has now been leaked. It’s all over social media.

Assuming it’s not a hoax and it is the correct name, the mother is gonna be feeling very foolish now. Her whole community will now know what she wanted to hide which was that her daughter had a holiday romance with a black teen. Not to mention the general backlash the family will receive.

I feel sorry for her daughter but I guess it was only a matter of time.

another1bitestheduck · 11/12/2024 22:41

JHound · 11/12/2024 18:51

It’s really quite baffling that with a couple months between them he is an “adult” and she is a “child”!

it's not baffling, it's the law!

You could say it's "baffling" that something could be legal in Spain but not legal in France even though there's only a metre difference between them, or "baffling" that it could be a certain time for person A in one time zone and an hour later for their partner standing next to them, or that something was legal the minute before a law was passed and illegal a second later. Or indeed that it would be illegal for someone to drink when they are 17 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 23hrs and 59 minutes old but legal the next minute.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and 18 is where it's drawn.

Nobody is going to argue that you don't magically becoming a sensible, mature, all knowing responsible individual the second you turn 18. I'm sure the average 17 years and 49 week year old and an 18 year and 3 month year old are far closer in maturity/life experience than the 18 year old to a 25 or 30 year old. That's why most countries have romeo and juliet laws or similar.

But if you're talking about legality, it doesn't matter whether they physically look like an adult, or whether they behave like an adult, or whether they are as mentally mature as an adult, or anything else. All that matters is if they are legally an adult, and in this case he was and she wasn't.