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To have said no to parents at christmas

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scarfonthestairs · 10/12/2024 06:12

I need to untangle all of this from my head and I am (I think) prepared to be told ibu but would like advice if you think I am.
TW- talk of csa.

This year I had a breakdown after years of coping with childhood sexual abuse.
My parents were aware of childhood sexual abuse and my dad at the time "dealt" with it by having a chat with the person and saying it was sorted. It wasn't it continued afterwards. I bought it up years later and he called me a slut. We've never spoken about it since.
They saw I'd had a breakdown (see me several times a week) but never once asked why or offered support other than the minimal. I self harmed dreadfully through this time which I eventually told them but they've never supported me about.
Every year since we've had children they've come for Christmas Dinner. They've never contributed. Our children love them coming.
Thus year after a huge amount of therapy I've realised that my dad has been emotionally abusive all my life to me and my mom. I decided along with dh that I didn't want them coming for dinner. We approached this when they asked saying due to breakdown just wanted us and children for Xmas Dinner but could come in morning or evening for a bit. Like inlaws do.
My mom said it was fine. My dad told my daughter before we'd been able to and was passive aggressive about the whole thing saying he could die before next Xmas, they'd be eating on there own having beans on toast (they wont) and other things to upset her.
I have also got another sibling who lives over an hour away and never invites them.
Last week dad got pneumonia. They're also looking at cancer for him. I feel now so guilty. What if this is his last Christmas? Also he has no idea that I'm aware of emotional abuse, this is a bolt from the blue for him really as he's lived his life like this and suddenly I've started to remove ourselves and have a more "normal" relationship.
I feel so dreadfully guilty and don't know what to do. I know whats right for me and what's right for me to do for everyone else.

OP posts:
OrangeSlices998 · 10/12/2024 08:35

Also I’ve cut my dad out completely for a lot lot less, you do whatever you need to!

CheekySnake · 10/12/2024 08:45

I just wanted to add OP that the fact that you're questioning whether or not you are the problem and can't tell any more is also a major red flag for an abusive relationship. You don't trust your own judgement. He has done that to you.

It's not you.

Please talk to people on the stately homes thread

I'm also aware that this thread may be difficult reading. It can take a long time to come to terms with the fact that what should be a safe relationship is an abusive one and that ending it is an acceptable choice, but it is always better late than never. You've been groomed to accept his behaviour. Breaking free from that isn't easy. You're taking a big step forward by saying no to Christmas with them. Be proud of yourself. X.

mumda · 10/12/2024 09:03

Make sure you look after yourself.

EdithStourton · 10/12/2024 09:04

scarfonthestairs · 10/12/2024 07:09

Thank you for your msgs. @TipsyCoralOtter your story touched a nerve, yes he's either lovely and funny or horrible so i never know where I am.
I worry that maybe I'm building this up. What if he's not as bad as in making him out to be?

I grew up with one like that: a charming, short-tempered controlling bully, who could switch from delightful to terrifying in about two seconds (and switch back if he wanted to). I would describe his behaviour to friends, but they didn't believe me unless they saw it.

When someone, even (perhaps especially) a parent has been as awful to you as your father has been (and as mine was to me - though it took me decades to fully grasp what had been going on), they are responsible for the collapse of familial bonds, not you.

You could perhaps try to explain your mother individually why you feel as you do, but if she is under his thumb you will probably get nowhere.

Not often that I say this on MN, as I am not a sappy type, but sending love and strength.

Edited to add, and I don't know if anyone else has recommended it as I've not RTFT, but maybe have a read of Lundy Bancroft's 'Why Does He Do That?' It's aimed at abused spouses, but it really explains how the abuse operates. Clarified things for me.

pizzaHeart · 10/12/2024 09:08

I only read your first post but if I’ve met with this sort of argument I always say what if I will be hit by a bus on my way home after this conversation. It does happen in real life.

Jumell · 10/12/2024 09:09

Please don’t feel guilty OP.

you don’t owe your dad anything

if he has cancer and dies and you weren’t there for him - his behaviour has created this scenario

my mum is like you dad

TipsyKoala · 10/12/2024 09:37

No way are you being unreasonable and you shouldn't feel guilty. They don't deserve any kind of relationship with you, let alone being invited for Christmas dinner.

mondaytosunday · 10/12/2024 09:55

So what if it is his last Christmas? Being ill doesn't absolve him of his continued abuse - I'd have cut contact after the slut remarks frankly. Shame for your mother though she also has responsibility.

Oodydoody · 10/12/2024 10:02

Your father is scum and has been your whole life.
I am so sorry.
You owe him nothing.
If he dies he dies.
You have had a very very hard life.
You deserve peace and a nice Christmas.

Cut them off would be my advice.
Mind yourself.

Comedycook · 10/12/2024 10:08

My parents were aware of childhood sexual abuse and my dad at the time "dealt" with it by having a chat with the person and saying it was sorted

This is absolutely sickening to read op....how despicable.

Protect yourself and prioritise yourself.

JetskiSkyJumper · 10/12/2024 10:13

He allowed you to be SA as a child and called you a slut for it. You owe him NOTHING. No one would judge you if you cut him out completely let alone just for Christmas Day.

What would you say to your own daughter if she were in this position?

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 10/12/2024 12:07

I'm impressed you were prepared to have them anywhere near you on Christmas Day and I'd be making it clear [via your DH if necessary] that after his comments to your daughter that they are not invited at all at Christmas irrespective of his illness[es] and how well he may or may not be on the day.

If your daughter is old enough to have a phone or a device I would ensure her GPs are blocked.

If she is old enough, I would sit her down and say that your GP's were not very nice to you growing up and now that you are older and understand just how badly they treated you [as you thought it was normal], it has made you very upset and that you and her father have decided they are not coming for Christmas. He and granny will have a nice day by themselves or with friends.

GermanBite · 10/12/2024 18:19

I'm so sorry you've been treated this way by people you should be able to trust.

I had an abusive childhood and I think when the physical abuse ends, and you spend less time around them, it's easy to convince yourself it's all over. But the truth (for me at least), is that the emotional abuse, manipulation and gaslighting never stop unless you put an end to it. For me, that was stopping all contact, which is hard, but definitely the best decision.

scarfonthestairs · 10/12/2024 19:33

Thank you everyone for your replies. It is a lot to take in.
I can't remember who has said what buy got the person who asked if it was a family member on my dads side yes it was.
Saying about my dd is very upsetting. I absolutely hate the thought of him manipulating my daughter the same but i can very clearly see that he is doing that. I also have a ds who is not fooled by him at all.
I do deserve a good Christmas as do my immediate family. Its strange but I've always thought of him and my mom as my immediate family aswell but they're not are they?

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Skyrainlight · 10/12/2024 20:05

He has been a disgusting father and has let you down, never feel guilty, he is a foul manipulative creature! I'm sorry you have had such a tough time and had such an awful father. xx

HollyChristmas · 11/12/2024 07:04

@scarfonthestairs
It was me that asked , I had an inkling it would be his family member . In my opinion even more reason to cut him out of your life. Be it his father , brother or even an uncle of his , he still chose them over you . Even as a child , his child who he should have been protecting , he chose to almost side with them over you , unforgivable .
I'm also wondering if this person is now dead . You can still report historic abuse to the police , and I would also mention your father's response .
I wish you well in your life , whatever you chose to do . Take care.

scarfonthestairs · 11/12/2024 08:34

@HollyChristmas thank you. They're still very much alive and in his life although I have as little contact with them as I can. I've suppressed it all for so long that when I was just getting over my breakdown and they were at a party we had to go to I started cutting myself again.
You saying about my dad putting him first....I've never ever thought of it like that. But he did. And ibwould never ever do that

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Threelittleduck · 11/12/2024 08:43

I can kind of understand why you might feel guilty but you really shouldn't. He should feel guilty about the shit way he's treated you. He didn't look out for you as a child or when you were going through your breakdown..
So why would you want to do anything for him now he's ill? It doesn't change the way he treated you and he obviously hasn't changed as he tried to manipulate your DD
It speaks volumes that your other sibling doesn't want to host him either. This is all on him.
You have nothing to feel bad about. Look after yourself.

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