AIBU to think Justin Welby should not receive a Life Peerage?

[ErrolTheDragon]

Traditionally, Archbishops of Canterbury receive a life peerage after leaving office.

Following Welby's horribly misjudged comedy performance in the House of Lords today, AIBU to think he absolutely shouldn't get one?

Church abuse victims 'disgusted' by Welby's speech www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86wq09q472o

www.thetimes.com/uk/religion/article/justin-welby-says-head-had-to-roll-after-abuse-scandal-dtltnl9t9

He should be on trial for enabling child sexual abuse.

Absolutely agree.

YANBU.

He turned a blind eye to abuse.

I also wonder how much Rowan Williams knew.

Yes, agreed. A trial for allowing abuse. So much for his religion, what a sham it is.

Get all the bishops out of the House of Lords.

I don’t think even serving bishops should have seats in the House of Lords let alone a man who is a danger to children. And not following up safeguarding incidents very much makes him a danger to children. Even if he’s offered it, he should have the decency to reject it and lie low and enjoy his retirement with his wife with no public presence.

YANBU. He's absolutely shameless. He wasn't going to step down until his position became untenable and enough people were calling for him to do so. It's disgusting that a person who consistently turned a blind eye to someone who was a serial abuser of children is going to be rewarded. It beggars belief the number of people who walk away from high profile roles with golden handshakes, honours and pats on the back. He should retire quietly and be grateful that he isn't being investigated for his role in enabling John Smyth's decades long reign of terror.

I think he was going to try to cling on until his retirement until 2026.

That speech was disgraceful. I am still struggling to comprehend what place he felt humour had to be involved. He shouldn't be allowed in any place of privilege ever again.

I think a life sentence would be more appropriate.

Oh wow, that's awful. Does that mean he has the peerage?

Oh wow, that's awful. Does that mean he has the peerage?

Not yet. I'm not sure who decides, is it the PM?

Marina Hyde was good on him today.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/06/justin-welby-archbishop-of-canterbury-victims-of-abuse

The very fact that he didn't really understand or acknowledge (ignored?) the full extent of the abuse makes me think he thought it wasn't too big a problem. That really does not sit easy with me and makes me question his judgment on anything. He should NOT be given a peerage

He's not remorseful. He is a man of God, the paedo Smyth was a man of God. The victims are just little people. Witness the British establishment in action.

I don't think religion should have any place in Government, so on that basis alone, no.

Only thing that creep paedo apologist should receive is a prison sentence.

We shouldn't have 26 bishops and archbishops in the House of Lords to begin with.

The very fact that he didn't really understand or acknowledge (ignored?) the full extent of the abuse makes me think he thought it wasn't too big a problem.

I think some of these men really don't get it, other than that somehow it's bad for their church.
Two reasons (not excuses!) for this:
Firstly, many of them have been products of public schools in the era when beatings were entirely normal. Perhaps they're the type who claim 'it never did me any harm', perhaps not - but that normalisation of physical abuse very likely did harm some of them.

Secondly, there's long been elements in the Christian churches who believe there's some spiritual virtue in 'the mortification of the flesh' - self flagellation for instance. As far as I can make out, the beatings at the iwerne camps weren't a bug, they were a feature, explicitly intended to induce some sort of 'spiritual experience'.

So, I rather think Welby and others may have been fundamentally warped by these two elements being 'normal' to them. It may have contributed to the 'lack of curiosity' until the extent of the physical abuse and the sexual element were exposed and eventually taken notice of.

That speech….. tone deaf, much?

100% agree

Indeed.

100%. I don't understand why this isn't the case already? I hate this so called legal system, makes my blood boil

i agree with you
it may be a trad - but they can change and evolve
no def not he shouldn't get one