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WWYD? Husband took baby without car seat.

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Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 13:03

I (40f) and DH (41) have been married 2 1/2 years. We have a 14 month old DS, and I’m 14 weeks pregnant with DC2. I was due to return to work after the end of my maternity leave, but my job “is no longer available” and as it’s my extended families business so I can’t really do anything about it (ACAS route etc) I’ve made an application to see if we’re eligible for any universal credit, and jobs for pregnant women are few and far between. DH farms on his parents farm, but it’s basically not profitable and all money goes towards keeping their farm afloat- we relied on my wages to pay our bills etc so things are incredibly tight at the moment. I did have some savings but have had to replace the boiler and repair the chimney so now I have nothing saved. We had two vehicles, my car and husbands pickup. My car has broken down, and the repairs would cost more than the car value, so we’ve been relying solely on my husbands pickup which had been extremely difficult as we live in the middle of nowhere, he needs it every day so I’ve been stuck at home for weeks and weeks on end.

I had a scheduled scan, babies are not allowed to come in, so DH stayed at home with DS and I used his pickup to go to the hospital which is an hour away. Before leaving I asked him are you going to stay home, and he said no I’ll take DS to his parents farm, 10 mins away- he was going to ask his father to come and collect him. Before leaving I reminded him he would need the spare car seat which was at his parents house, so he would need to tell his father to bring it with him. His response was of course, dont be so patronising, I’d never take him in the car without one. I felt guilty on the way to the hospital for telling him to remember the car seat as he was clearly offended.

After being at the hospital I go to in-laws house to collect DS, thank them etc etc, DH takes me and DS home in his pickup then goes back to work with it. All fine with no issues (or so I thought)

Fast forward 3 days, and one of our cats is missing, which is very unusual for her. We had an oil delivery so I was worried she’d gone under the lorry, so I check our outside CCTV. I’m sure you all know where this is going. The day of the oil delivery was the day of my scan and the day fil collected DH and DS from our home. CCTV clearly shows DH getting into fil’s pickup and placing DS on his lap, and off they go. It’s around a 10 minute drive to in-laws home,on single track twisty country lanes.Lots of tractors, milk lorry’s, camper vans etc. DH and I comment daily about near misses we’ve had/seen and how stupidly fast some of the tractors go, so he’s fully aware of the dangers. Also, fil has a lot of mini strokes/ funny turns so would not be particularly safe anyway (he doesn’t drive anywhere other than around home- won’t go on main B or A roads etc)

I confronted DH, and as expected he downplayed, gaslit and blamed me. His initial reaction was “I’d never let anything happen to him, he’s perfectly safe with me, it wasn’t far, did you never go without car seat when you were younger etc.” Then it was fil’s fault for not bringing car seat, then it wasn’t his fault he didn’t have his own vehicle (implying it was mine for taking his pickup to the scan) He sulked to bed, and this morning we haven’t spoken. How do I navigate this? I’m furious he would risk our sons life- it doesn’t matter the distance, most accidents happen within 10 miles of home, and if his father had come without the car seat he should have refused to go with him. He has a history of telling me what he thinks I want to hear just to placate me, but I always know deep down when he’s doing it. If I challenge him he’ll always dismiss me like I’m being unreasonable, like he did that morning when I reminded him to use the car seat.

I’m conscious of the fact I’m pregnant and probably hormonal, but at the same time feel like this is a game changer? Our relationship whilst really good at times, is under a lot of strain at times from his toxic, emeshed family dynamic. They have always treated me as an outsider, but he won’t hear a word against them. When we announced both pregnancies you could hear a pin drop, no congrats, nothing. When I returned after the scan to collect DS not a single one of them asked how did it go, baby ok etc? They adore DS, but treat me as the surrogate and resent my presence. I have to constantly fight to establish boundaries. MIL frequently comments negatively about DS being a mummy’s boy, how he doesn’t want to know her when I’m around, she’s not good enough if I’m there etc etc. (She’s only seen him without me when I’ve had baby scans/midwife appointments and DH takes DS there once I’ve left home) I never respond, but if I mention it to DH he says I’m making an issue. The funny thing is we’ve had disagreements about these potential situations in the past. When talking about the future he’s mentioned mil or sil could collect DS from the school bus stop as they do with sil’s children, and I’ve said absolutely not- neither mil or sil make the children wear seatbelts, they use quad bikes to heard sheep with no helmets etc etc. I’ve made it clear their safety standards and mine are different but he’s always responded he’d make sure DS was safe and I shouldn’t judge his family, they’re never good enough for me etc. I feel this has just proven my point and I can’t even trust DH with DS let alone in-laws.

How do I navigate this? I’ve posted before about his toxic family dynamic and received really good advice, but this time it’s not just affecting me, it’s DS safety. He cant/wont stand up to his parents or sibling, and rather than upset his father and refuse to get in the vehicle he chose to put our son in danger. What am I supposed to do in this situation?
We’ve talked often about moving away, but he’s always said not whilst his parents are around. The house was built by me before we met with inheritance I received, so we have no mortgage. The only thing keeping me here is DH. I’m low contact with my mum, no contact with father (siblings and I were removed for a time by social services as children due to abuse from him) and my best friends live 4 hours away. I have a good relationship with my sibling but he has his own young family to keep him busy. I feel like I’m already doing everything alone so I’m not daunted by the thought of starting fresh somewhere new, but I know that’s an extreme reaction and probably hormones. Even if DH promises to never do it again in all honestly I don’t believe him- it comes back to telling me what he thinks I want to hear just to placate me. I’m at a complete loss.

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FoxtonFoxton · 04/12/2024 13:12

Id be absolutely raging. On top of the obvious risk, the lie would be a real trust destroyer for me. Only you know how you feel about your DH, but it seems to me that you'd not be overly bothered about going it alone which is telling.

Onthesideofthespiders · 04/12/2024 13:14

So much to unpick.

I couldn’t be with a liar. I know it really isn’t that simple but I couldn’t be with a liar. It boils down to that for me. And 100% not with someone who lies about the children and what he does with them.

But also, back to your job. What’s going on there? Which extended family; yours or his? Have you received redundancy pay? Really doesn’t matter that they’re family. Seek advice, and force them to pay out.

Stormyweatheroutthere · 04/12/2024 13:19

I'm surprised you got pregnant twice with that cord still attached to his dm.... He is a sap. Find yourself a new home and hope he doesn't have time to visit. He thought nothing of risking your dc's life. And by the sounds of it will do it again.

SuperfluousHen · 04/12/2024 13:27

I would be concerned as to what else is he lying about that you haven’t found out yet.

It’s all extremely disappointing for you and nasty to be patronised and gaslit by a man who has no problem lying to your face.

and then the toxic in-laws…

so sorry, this is horrible for you 😔

romdowa · 04/12/2024 13:28

If my dh put our child in a car without a seat there would be war. No way would I let it go or the lying. My child's safety Is paramount

thepariscrimefiles · 04/12/2024 13:35

Onthesideofthespiders · 04/12/2024 13:14

So much to unpick.

I couldn’t be with a liar. I know it really isn’t that simple but I couldn’t be with a liar. It boils down to that for me. And 100% not with someone who lies about the children and what he does with them.

But also, back to your job. What’s going on there? Which extended family; yours or his? Have you received redundancy pay? Really doesn’t matter that they’re family. Seek advice, and force them to pay out.

Absolutely, if it was unfair dismissal and/or pregnancy discrimination you should definitely go to ACAS and take it further if they think you would have a case. Being family doesn't seem to guarantee any kind or fair treatment for you OP.

ClaredeBear · 04/12/2024 13:44

You say he has a history of not being straight with you. I'm afraid this relationship would have ended before it began if it was me. This won't improve, he has no respect for you.

Cherubs4 · 04/12/2024 13:44

I sympathise with the difficult family dynamics. The frustration that brings and animosity felt will definitely be exaggerated with your pregnancy hormones. That being said, in terms of your original question- are you right to be furious that he didn't use a car seat - I'd say you're overexaggerating that situation. Most British people are as militant about car seats as they are about vaccines so it's likely I'll be the only one of this opinion but too me, there are so many things we risk just by leaving our house in the morning. Being run over by a car while walking is as likely as being in a car crash without a seat belt and having life threatening injuries as a result. Obviously you should limit car trips without seat belts as the more you do, the more chance of being in a bad situation, but that once off is really not the biggest problem. What seems to be happening is that you are projecting all of the emotions that you feel in regards to the familial situation onto this one, un-related, happening, as this makes it easier for you to release your pent up frustrations. You need to address the bigger problem that is how you feel in regards to his family and how they feel about you, and how you feel your husband views you/treats you as a result. That's what is behind the argument, at a macro level

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 13:44

Onthesideofthespiders · 04/12/2024 13:14

So much to unpick.

I couldn’t be with a liar. I know it really isn’t that simple but I couldn’t be with a liar. It boils down to that for me. And 100% not with someone who lies about the children and what he does with them.

But also, back to your job. What’s going on there? Which extended family; yours or his? Have you received redundancy pay? Really doesn’t matter that they’re family. Seek advice, and force them to pay out.

Thank you for this.

With regard to my job it’s my side of the family, I worked there for over 15 years. My brother and some other extended family work there apart from the family members who run it so it’s not really an option to take any kind of action against them. They just said they had done fine without me whilst I was on leave and they don’t need me back. It’s a small family business, they don’t really do HR or anything like that. My brother and I were due to be made directors of the firm but now I’m told it’s just my brother. I’m just trying to figure out how to survive financially for now and see if anyone will hire me which is unlikely as I’m pregnant.

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thepariscrimefiles · 04/12/2024 13:49

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 13:44

Thank you for this.

With regard to my job it’s my side of the family, I worked there for over 15 years. My brother and some other extended family work there apart from the family members who run it so it’s not really an option to take any kind of action against them. They just said they had done fine without me whilst I was on leave and they don’t need me back. It’s a small family business, they don’t really do HR or anything like that. My brother and I were due to be made directors of the firm but now I’m told it’s just my brother. I’m just trying to figure out how to survive financially for now and see if anyone will hire me which is unlikely as I’m pregnant.

You need to seek advice about this. Just because you are their sister, it doesn't mean that you can afford to be made redundant without any redundancy pay after 15 years working there.

MightySnail · 04/12/2024 13:51

So why aren't you taking your employer to court? Because you don't want to upset your family. Exactly what you are accusing DH of doing?

That aside, I'd tell DH if he ever fails to use the car seat again I'll report him to the police. I'd divorce him based on ongoing lies and gaslighting. And I'd make a life for myself locally (you probably won't be able to move away from the area with your existing child unless you think your DH won't challenge it).

TheOccupier · 04/12/2024 13:54

YANBU and in future I would be arranging things so that he never has the opportunity to do this again.

Did you find the cat?

FeralNun · 04/12/2024 13:57

Ah, the enmeshed farming family dynamic. As you have rightly realised, adults may be able to choose to stay in this toxic, unhealthy set up, but children can’t.
Your DH is putting his need to avoid discomfort over the safety of his own child. There’s obviously loads of understandable reasons for this, but nonetheless that’s what’s happening.
You know what needs to happen, and it won’t be easy. I’m sorry you are going through this and hope you can navigate it - I wish you well.

Changeyourfuckingcar · 04/12/2024 13:57

MightySnail · 04/12/2024 13:51

So why aren't you taking your employer to court? Because you don't want to upset your family. Exactly what you are accusing DH of doing?

That aside, I'd tell DH if he ever fails to use the car seat again I'll report him to the police. I'd divorce him based on ongoing lies and gaslighting. And I'd make a life for myself locally (you probably won't be able to move away from the area with your existing child unless you think your DH won't challenge it).

Agree with this, completely.
Your family don’t give a shit about completely fucking over you and your family so honestly, screw them. They can’t just do whatever they like when they’re running a business!!
As someone who also lives and works (and breathes and bleeds 🤣) in agriculture, I know there are some scenarios where we let things slide that maybe a lot of other people wouldn’t but honestly your stupid husband sitting your son on his lap for a journey, ten minutes or not, on an actual road is so appallingly dangerous, I can’t think anyone could forgive that.

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 13:58

MightySnail · 04/12/2024 13:51

So why aren't you taking your employer to court? Because you don't want to upset your family. Exactly what you are accusing DH of doing?

That aside, I'd tell DH if he ever fails to use the car seat again I'll report him to the police. I'd divorce him based on ongoing lies and gaslighting. And I'd make a life for myself locally (you probably won't be able to move away from the area with your existing child unless you think your DH won't challenge it).

Thank you- the reason I’m not taking them to court is I don’t want it to affect my brother and other family members who work there. The family members who run the business would not take kindly to me challenging them so would definitely take it out on them, potentially denying my brother the director role. It’s not about not wanting to hurt their feelings.

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MightySnail · 04/12/2024 14:00

Well you and your brother both chose to work for them despite knowing what they are like, so I'd say you are not responsible for your brother's career progression. Also, is he happy to sit by and watch while you have no job at all whilst he progresses on to his cushy promotion? My sympathies are limited.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 04/12/2024 14:03

He needs to stop working on the family farm and earn money to provide for his family.
He needs to stop lying.
He .just never put your child at risk again.

Nc546888 · 04/12/2024 14:04

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 13:58

Thank you- the reason I’m not taking them to court is I don’t want it to affect my brother and other family members who work there. The family members who run the business would not take kindly to me challenging them so would definitely take it out on them, potentially denying my brother the director role. It’s not about not wanting to hurt their feelings.

Yes but you’re losing 15 years worth of redundancy pay. They are treating you illegally.

Nc546888 · 04/12/2024 14:04

Also I’d be fucking fuming at your husband and also wonder what else he is lying to you about. Could you write him a letter??

Jagoda · 04/12/2024 14:09

You don’t need to take your family to court. They just have to pay you statutory redundancy pay. If they refuse, then you take action. Why are you allowing this?

Secondly, have I understood you correctly? Does DH bring home any money from working on the farm? Is it at least minimum wage? If not, he has to leave and get a proper job.

The lack of car seat is unforgivable. He isn’t even sorry.

I don’t think I could recover from all the shit you have been put through. 💐

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 14:12

TheOccupier · 04/12/2024 13:54

YANBU and in future I would be arranging things so that he never has the opportunity to do this again.

Did you find the cat?

Thank you. Yes that’s one bright spot in the midst of all of this- when I opened the back door his morning she was there without a care in the world! She currently asleep under the radiator purring away.

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beAsensible1 · 04/12/2024 14:12

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 13:44

Thank you for this.

With regard to my job it’s my side of the family, I worked there for over 15 years. My brother and some other extended family work there apart from the family members who run it so it’s not really an option to take any kind of action against them. They just said they had done fine without me whilst I was on leave and they don’t need me back. It’s a small family business, they don’t really do HR or anything like that. My brother and I were due to be made directors of the firm but now I’m told it’s just my brother. I’m just trying to figure out how to survive financially for now and see if anyone will hire me which is unlikely as I’m pregnant.

OP that is not ok.
15 years ? you need to make some noise and seek advice.

what a nasty thing to do

BananaSpanner · 04/12/2024 14:16

Car seat- your husband is a dick, never let him do it again.

However the real crisis in your life is about your finances which you seem weirdly accepting of.
You have misguided loyalty to the family company. Address this as a priority. Your brother is happy to see you laid off with no redundancy pay so not sure why your that bothered about him missing out on a promotion (that will probably never come by the way, sounds like a carrot being dangled to keep him sweet and quiet). Chase that redundancy pay, get angry!

I also don’t understand why your husband is working for free when he has an unemployed wife and almost two children. Do his parents give him nothing at all towards living costs?!

Helpinghand1234 · 04/12/2024 14:21

Jagoda · 04/12/2024 14:09

You don’t need to take your family to court. They just have to pay you statutory redundancy pay. If they refuse, then you take action. Why are you allowing this?

Secondly, have I understood you correctly? Does DH bring home any money from working on the farm? Is it at least minimum wage? If not, he has to leave and get a proper job.

The lack of car seat is unforgivable. He isn’t even sorry.

I don’t think I could recover from all the shit you have been put through. 💐

Thank you. I don’t really care about hurting the family members who run the business, it’s just other family members who are employees (my brother etc) who I think would be affected so that’s why I’m not taking it further. Also to be completely frank I don’t have much fight in me at the moment, it feels like I’m fighting fires on many fronts and just in survival mode so I’m letting things slide which I probably shouldn’t.

DH doesn’t bring any money into our household from the farm- all of his income goes back into the parents farm to keep it afloat. Without him they wouldn’t be able to continue. He does pay for heating oil for our house once a year, but that’s it. It’s been a sensitive issue for a while- before we got married and he moved in we talked about it and agreed on 50/50 split of bills, but just after we got married the bank recalled one of my fils loans on some land so DH had to take out a mortgage to save it, which meant he wasn’t able to contribute to our home expenses. I had a good wage so could cover everything thankfully, but obviously that’s all changed now I can’t return to work for now.

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SophiaCohle · 04/12/2024 14:27

Omg, farming families, so many issues, so many threads here over the years. I've reached the age/stage where I have zero tolerance for this kind of enmeshed family dynamic, or for lying and obstructive behaviour. Your family sound like they suck too. If you built the house presumably you own it, and personally I'd be tempted to sell it and make a fresh start with the proceeds, given how independent you sound. And I'd be taking the family firm to employment tribunal. I'm sure they'll be happy to shaft your brother when it suits them whether you piss them off now or not. It's not just about redundancy payments, it's about discriminatory treatment of a pregnant woman. It's all easy for me to say though. I just wish I'd sucked up less nonsense from others over the years, so that's starting to be my default advice to everyone!

Not the point of your thread, I know, but I'm not sure I'd be happy being an hour from the hospital in the later stages of pregnancy. Is there anywhere nearer you can stay nearer your EDD?