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To think higher education isn’t a right for everyone?

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UniqueOlivePombear · 03/12/2024 20:09

Not everyone has the aptitude for university - shouldn’t vocational training be encouraged instead of pushing for degrees?

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MrsAvocet · 04/12/2024 17:02

Whatever happened to HNDs? I know they do still exist but you don't seem to hear about them much these days. It was seen as a very credible qualification when I was young, and something you could often do at a local FE college, sometimes alongside working, making it a good option for people who didn't want to or couldn't go away to University. Quite a lot of people I was at school with took this route and have gone on to have good careers in their chosen fields but I haven't heard of anyone doing one for absolutely ages.

Frowningprovidence · 04/12/2024 17:17

Igmum · 04/12/2024 16:19

Yes absolutely but the problem is that for vocational training you need employers on board and one of the reasons Tony Blair chose to increase university admissions was that he could control that. Some UK VET is extremely good. Some is dire. There is also an issue of employers reducing funding for it. On every measure (spend, time) UK employer funded VET is falling. The FE colleges have been chronically underfunded for many years and recent boosts won't touch the sides of that neglect.

So, perhaps the question should be, how do we persuade employers to invest in their workforce and this country?

I think this is key.

For instance the T levels, which are the big new Level 3 vocational qualification, are really struggling with the employer bit.

There must be a way through tax relief or something to motivate this.

Igmum · 04/12/2024 17:32

Frowningprovidence · 04/12/2024 17:17

I think this is key.

For instance the T levels, which are the big new Level 3 vocational qualification, are really struggling with the employer bit.

There must be a way through tax relief or something to motivate this.

There is plenty of tax relief and some organisations are very good at adapting their training to suit whatever the tax rules currently say then dropping it as soon as the tax rules change, which is pretty sad. It speaks volumes about how little these employers value/invest in their workers. Excellent practice exists but it is so hard to extend it beyond a small group of organisations.

WoahThreeAces · 04/12/2024 21:43

bifurCAT · 04/12/2024 12:49

Everyone had the same opportunity at school. Work hard at school, and/or work hard in an apprenticeship.

F*ck around, and you'll find out later in life when you're scraping by.

Of course everyone doesn't have the same opportunities at school!! Or in life.

CraftyOP · 04/12/2024 21:46

In theory but we live in a country where wealth = aptitude, so no. I agree that universities should chuck out thick rich kids, all russell group universities have them, but that's not the way the world works and they'd hardly take up plumbing. Of course for people genuinely not able or interested in academic subjects there should be alternative routes to training

FelixtheAardvark · 04/12/2024 21:56

Our youngest DD, academically the brightest of our DCs refused point blank to go to university.

She now out earns her siblings (both of whom have masters degrees) and owns her own property.

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