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The teacher from Batley is still in hiding

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Nicetrynigel · 03/12/2024 05:55

Teacher Batley
His life ruined because a bunch of thugs decided they didn't like what he was teaching in his RE lesson.
This and the Labour MP's request for bhalsphey laws against those of the Abrahamic faith have made me concerned.

People should be free to offer an view against another's religion. It's scary that we are being a country where people thing being offended gives them a right to made death threats.

Batley Grammar School teacher felt “totally isolated” “abandoned” and “suicidal” due to inadequate support from relevant agencies.

An official review, due to be published on Monday 25th March, 2024, is set to recommend the banning of protests outside schools, following a concerning incident where a teacher was forced into hidi…

https://neilwilby.com/2024/03/24/batley-grammar-school-teacher-felt-totally-isolated-abandoned-and-suicidal-due-to-inadequate-support-from-relevant-agencies/

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eightIsNewNine · 04/12/2024 01:17

XWKD · 04/12/2024 01:14

Did he show an image depicting the prophet Mohammed by accident? How does the fact that it was used by others change anything?

The children need to know that images like that can appear in the UK and that it is absolutely ok and legal.

The children need to understand that their religious rules apply only on them and no-one else. That is very important part of the education.

CharlieHebdo · 04/12/2024 01:17

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ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:18

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I'd gladly meet you at Glasgow central and drop you off at certain pubs where you will find different, especially on the weekend of the old firm games.

Enough4me · 04/12/2024 01:18

A picture of anyone who was alive before cameras is just made up. It's a cartoon. It could be a stick man, it could be AI. It doesn't matter. It didn't show abuse or anything illegal by the law of this country.

ForegoneConfusion · 04/12/2024 01:18

ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:09

I'm not sure that is the case. Another teacher had used the material yes. It was from a very controversial article in a French magazine a few years earlier. I'd be doubtful the education authority had suggested it's use, especially in an area with muslim tensions.

From what I read, I don't think it was the education authority, I think it was the school leadership (who then let the teacher carry the can). This is what the Khan review says:

"The RS teacher taught a lesson at BGS on blasphemy which included pictures of the Prophet Muhammad, the Pope and Jesus Christ. Pupils were shown a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a turban containing a cartoon bomb. This RS lesson for Year 9 pupils aimed to facilitate a discussion on how pupils and society in general should deal with issues of free speech, blasphemy and appropriate ways to respond. As an RS teacher, he understood that he
was obligated to teach students about appropriate responses to controversial issues as part of guidance on promoting fundamental British values, as part of spiritual, moral, social, and cultural (SMSC) development in schools.

The lesson had been taught for the two preceding years and was part of the school’s curriculum, which had been signed off the by senior leadership team."

eightIsNewNine · 04/12/2024 01:19

ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:16

In an ideal world you are entirely correct. They should be hunted down and prosecuted. Reality is the police and everyone else like hospitals etc need to weigh up the fall out of that action.

If there was a riot going on due to this decisive police action and ended up with- peoples homes burnt out, cars destroyed, serious assaults, murders. At the same time an ambulance can't get to your parent who has suffered a heart attack the other side of town. You would be screaming about all the resources 'wasted' there.

That's totally false equitation.

Appeasement turns small issues into bigger issues later.

XWKD · 04/12/2024 01:19

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No you don't. Neither have they.

ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:22

ForegoneConfusion · 04/12/2024 01:18

From what I read, I don't think it was the education authority, I think it was the school leadership (who then let the teacher carry the can). This is what the Khan review says:

"The RS teacher taught a lesson at BGS on blasphemy which included pictures of the Prophet Muhammad, the Pope and Jesus Christ. Pupils were shown a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a turban containing a cartoon bomb. This RS lesson for Year 9 pupils aimed to facilitate a discussion on how pupils and society in general should deal with issues of free speech, blasphemy and appropriate ways to respond. As an RS teacher, he understood that he
was obligated to teach students about appropriate responses to controversial issues as part of guidance on promoting fundamental British values, as part of spiritual, moral, social, and cultural (SMSC) development in schools.

The lesson had been taught for the two preceding years and was part of the school’s curriculum, which had been signed off the by senior leadership team."

Thank you. That would suggest the school was being less than sensible with the curriculum. In which case the head should have fallen on his sword saying he ok'd it.

CharlieHebdo · 04/12/2024 01:22

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ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:24

eightIsNewNine · 04/12/2024 01:19

That's totally false equitation.

Appeasement turns small issues into bigger issues later.

Follow that logic and compare it to what happened mid 90's between the UK and Ireland. Appeasement was the only thing that much reduced the violence.

ForegoneConfusion · 04/12/2024 01:26

XWKD · 04/12/2024 01:14

Did he show an image depicting the prophet Mohammed by accident? How does the fact that it was used by others change anything?

There was no accident, he used a lesson plan that was part of the curriculum at the school where he worked. In his role as an RS teacher, he was trying to facilitate discussions around how to deal with conflicts around blasphemy and free speech and what appropriate responses could be.

What makes you think he was deliberately trying to offend Muslims?

SmashedBaubles · 04/12/2024 01:27

ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:09

I'm not sure that is the case. Another teacher had used the material yes. It was from a very controversial article in a French magazine a few years earlier. I'd be doubtful the education authority had suggested it's use, especially in an area with muslim tensions.

The material has been used by two other teachers in the school according to the Khan report if you’d bothered to read it. There were depictions of Muhammad, Jesus and the Pope. It was not material the teacher had made himself.

What were the Muslim tensions in the area? Why does that excuse interfering in the education system? If they didn’t want their kids learning about religion, why did they not withdraw them as they are free to do in any school?

Do you agree that people should be fearful of reprisals, violence and shooting sprees and beheadings if they depict an imaginary religious figure that a particular religion feels is an insult? That seems to be what you’re implying?

The ‘controversial’ article in the French magazine was used as an excuse for a massacre.

How anyone can seek to justify in anyway a teacher needing a new identity, due to a very real threat to his and his family’s safety, due to teaching a lesson about an imaginary ideology is absolutely vile and they are probably the people screaming about ‘Islamophobia’.

CharlieHebdo · 04/12/2024 01:28

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Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 04/12/2024 01:28

I am stunned by a lot of the comments here. This is a free country and we have the right to follow any religion or none.

What some people are demanding is the right to enforce obedience to their religion and respect for their god.

If we don’t have freedom to be rude (not violent) and offend (not harm or threaten) people, then we don’t have freedom, full stop. And we would be very stupid to throw away our freedom.

StandingSideBySide · 04/12/2024 01:28

Ovalframes · 03/12/2024 12:07

Being a teacher in that part of the UK is challenging. (If you are a woman it is extremely hard due to the sheer lack of respect and the refusal by boys to follow any instruction from women). Unless you have experienced it you wouldn't believe it. I do think the teacher was naïve to even mention the subject because he should have known what would happen.

Which is exactly the issue highlighted in OPs article.
People will be too scared to say anything, free speech will become a thing of the past if others can send death threats and get away with it.

Look at the years in prison those who threatened asylum seekers have got
Why weren’t any of the offenders in this situation imprisoned. A mob outside the teachers home threatening himself and his family and not one arrest!!

StandingSideBySide · 04/12/2024 01:32

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 04/12/2024 01:28

I am stunned by a lot of the comments here. This is a free country and we have the right to follow any religion or none.

What some people are demanding is the right to enforce obedience to their religion and respect for their god.

If we don’t have freedom to be rude (not violent) and offend (not harm or threaten) people, then we don’t have freedom, full stop. And we would be very stupid to throw away our freedom.

I absolutely agree.
Some religions find it offensive if women don’t cover themselves. We will all have to cover up one day if we allow this attitude to continue.

ForegoneConfusion · 04/12/2024 01:32

ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:22

Thank you. That would suggest the school was being less than sensible with the curriculum. In which case the head should have fallen on his sword saying he ok'd it.

I don't think the head should have fallen on their sword (or they would have probably ended up in the same position), but there had to be a better way of dealing with the situation than the one they chose.

XWKD · 04/12/2024 01:34

ForegoneConfusion · 04/12/2024 01:26

There was no accident, he used a lesson plan that was part of the curriculum at the school where he worked. In his role as an RS teacher, he was trying to facilitate discussions around how to deal with conflicts around blasphemy and free speech and what appropriate responses could be.

What makes you think he was deliberately trying to offend Muslims?

He knowingly did something that is profoundly offensive to Muslims.

CharlieHebdo · 04/12/2024 01:34

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StandingSideBySide · 04/12/2024 01:36

ForegoneConfusion · 04/12/2024 01:32

I don't think the head should have fallen on their sword (or they would have probably ended up in the same position), but there had to be a better way of dealing with the situation than the one they chose.

So what were the images of the Pope and Jesus Christ because no one seems to be saying anything about those.

ARealitycheck · 04/12/2024 01:37

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And again using my analogy, why should the UK and the protestant factions in Ireland give any ground to the IRA. At the time they were considered terrorists.

Early 90's you would have had to be very careful of where in Belfast you wore green or blue/orange.

CharlieHebdo · 04/12/2024 01:37

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XWKD · 04/12/2024 01:37

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No. At least no more than anyone would have a right to be offended by a teacher showing up in blackface, or in a Nazi uniform.

StandingSideBySide · 04/12/2024 01:38

XWKD · 04/12/2024 01:34

He knowingly did something that is profoundly offensive to Muslims.

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What about Christian’s and Catholics. Images of the Pope and Jesus Christ were also presented.
The lesson clearly wasn’t exclusive

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