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To want to cut contact with a friend with an ED?

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Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 13:36

Hi there, I’m in a really hard situation and I’m looking for some advice, please be kind.

The context:

I met this person, let’s call her M, because her cousin, J, is one of my best friends. When I met M, we were in our early twenties and she was just starting to show signs of an eating disorder. She seemed to want us to be friends immediately and a little intensely. I enjoyed her company, I don’t live in the same city as her, and I got the sense that she was perhaps a little lonely, so I figured there wouldn’t be much harm in becoming friends with her and seeing her occasionally.

That was 15 years ago, and unfortunately M has had a severe eating disorder throughout. Quite honestly, I’m not sure how she’s still alive. It’s extremely upsetting to see how thin she is. I don’t understand how her body is still functioning. She’s severely damaged her organs, so much so that she’s no longer able to have children. She’s unable to lead an independent life, her parents care for her. She’s never been able to live on her own as an adult. Her family care about her very much, but they seem unable to get her some professional help.

We’ve spoken on and off over the years, and when I’m in town I go to visit her. I find the visits upsetting, but I want to support my best friend (J - her cousin). The family seem to put a lot of pressure on J to bring M along to social events, and a lot of people seem to have distanced themselves from both of them because of M’s behaviour.

I felt this was unfair, until I invited my best friend to visit my home for the weekend. I was in my first trimester of pregnancy at the time, and excited to share this with J. She asked if M could come, and I asked her if she was well enough and if we’d be able to keep her safe. J assured me that M was well enough to come, so I agreed.

I’m not sure if J is in denial and can’t accept the facts, or if she’s just completely overwhelmed and doesn’t know how to handle her cousin, but M is the most disturbed and mentally unwell person I’ve ever been around.

I’ve had my own struggles with mental health, and I firmly believe people shouldn’t be ostracised for being ill, but M is in desperate need of professional help and she’s extremely disturbed. Being pregnant I found it extremely stressful physically just being around her. I found myself locking myself in my room just to get away, at which point she started knocking on my door trying to talk to me. I felt unsafe.

M is very controlling, and not just with food. She doesn’t respect boundaries- wanting attention all the time. She tried to manipulate me into letting her stay longer, complained that I don’t contact her enough, and tried to get me to book a vacation with her. When I explained I didn’t want to travel due to pregnancy, she informed me you can still travel up 20 weeks and still expected me to book a trip. She’s completely delusional, swings wildly between mania and depression. Harasses staff in restaurants. She examined the contents of the fridge, cupboards and bins at both my house and my parent’s house, demanding to know what we were going to do with certain items of food.

The main issue is that she’s in complete denial that she has a problem and refusal that she needs help. She insists that she’s a ‘qualified nutritionist and neuroscientist’ (having studied this at uni)’ so apparently no mental health professional knows more about health than she does. She aggressively talks about food all the time, as if challenging you to say something. She seems to have a network of ‘pro-ED’ friends who she texts constantly and will back her up.

Worryingly, she seemed to want to come between me and J. We didn’t have the chance to talk at all, we were just trying to ‘handle’ the situation. After the weekend I was exhausted and angry. What was supposed to be a relaxing weekend with one of my best friends got completely derailed. J didn’t feel she could come to my baby shower unless M came with her, and I had to say no and go ahead without my J, as I wouldn’t have been able to relax with M there.

M now seems to think we’re close friends, and she keeps reminding me that I’m one of the only ones left. She’s bombarded me with messages on every platform- often sending me pictures of her daily meals (which she obsessively documents). I’ve asked her not to do this and gently explained several times that I’m not able to respond to her messages, and that I’d rather just come and see her when I’m next in town.

I feel I’m able to handle visiting her for an hour or so once or twice a year, but it’s upsetting to receive messages (they’re often controlling and manipulating in tone). I have a baby now, and I feel strongly that I want to keep our lives entirely separate from her manipulating influence, but I also don’t want to abandon her or stop supporting J. I understand that M’s illness is making her act this way, but she’s also way out of line.

I’ve tried blocking her on every channel of communication, but she always seems to find a way to get in touch with me. It’s exhausting.

I want to confront her and explain that I can’t be friends with someone who has a problem and refuses to get help. That her actions are hurting other people, and that I’m not going to allow her to cross boundaries and manipulate me.

She’s so aggressive and fragile though, I’m worried about how this will go down. I’m also worried about how this will impact my friendship with J. I’m getting married soon and I want J to be a bridesmaid, but again I don’t want M to come. J will accept this, but I can’t see this going down very well with M, who will no doubt demand an invite and use every trick in the book to make J feel guilty.

How do I protect myself and my friendship? How do I set healthy boundaries and stop M from contacting me without ghosting her completely? How do I handle this kindly?

Help and advice much appreciated, sorry for the long post xx

OP posts:
2024onwardsandup · 27/11/2024 13:41

i think you do need to cut contact with m completely. Explain what you’re doing and why to J and then it’s up to J to handle it.

send one final message to m explaining that you wish her well but you are not able to continue the friendship if you want to. But it won’t make any difference what you say to her.

you have no obligation to stay friends with m. The price of that maybe js friendship - but that’s the risk. J may be relieved to have m removed from the equation.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 13:46

Sounds a nightmare. I don't blame you one bit for finding this situation difficult. Don't have M round your house maybe meet M and J in a neutral setting and make sure the meeting has a time limit. Stress how busy you are that day so after a couple of hours or so you have to get away.

Never answer the phone when M's number comes up, that way you avoid the phone calls? Would this work or would she just come round anyway?

I'm not sure what to say about the bridesmaid thing, you could just say you want family only in the bridal party and J is your cousin . If you're not rich then stress the cost of living crisis and cutting down how many bridesmaids you have. Though this will only work if you don't have others outside your family as bridesmaids.

Summerhillsquare · 27/11/2024 13:51

It's never a bad time to start being consistent with your message.

toomuchfaff · 27/11/2024 13:54

So J is your best friend, M is her cousin. You want rid of M.

I'd be telling J that im stepping away from M, that you and M dont seem to align on thought processes and ideas of acceptable behaviours. That M is her cousin, but your primary concern is your own relationship with J, and that you dont want M to be tagging along to anything you organise. You definitely do not want to be put in positions where J is pushing you to include M, that's not acceptable. You accept that J has to maintain a relationship with M, but that you don't want one. Your friendship with J is important, not everything J does has to involve M, and if she is feeling pressure she needs to out in place similar boundaries with her family who push M onto her. M isn't Js problem alone to solve.

Wish M well, and bid her goodbye. Support J in finding she doesn't always have to include M

ChristmasGrinch24 · 27/11/2024 13:55

Tell J you don't want anything to do with M, she's not invite her along anymore. If she does you'll just go home and leave them there.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 13:55

Firm boundaries are always the best although it's not easy. If M protests you keep sticking to the boundaries and even repeat yourself if neccessary. It isn't easy but it's worth it. another thing about the social media messages would be to only respond if you feel
like responding , if it's too much for you or annoying you just don't respond.

I have to set firm boundaries with needy people as I have chronic health issues, physical and mental, so I simply tell them I'm the kind of friend who responds when I can, I get back to them eventually, it's nothing personal if I don't respond right away..

That said this sounds like another level of neediness.

Oh hang on I've just re-read that J is M s cousin not yours! Ignore my advice on the wedding.

toomuchfaff · 27/11/2024 13:56

As for the bridesmaid thing, don't apologise, don't be meek. J is invited to be a bridesmaid. M IS NOT. M isn't invited to the hen, she isn't a bridesmaid, she isnt even invited to the wedding.

You don't want her there. A wedding is stressful enough as is without wondering what the next kick off is going to be.

Don't apologise. It's your wedding. Don't have people there you don't like.

OrwellianTimes · 27/11/2024 13:59

You aren’t cutting contact because she has an eating disorder/mental health issues, you’re cutting contact because she’s insanely controlling and verging on narcissistic.

I’m recovered from AN, and honestly when the ED took over I was hell to live around, but I never ever commented on anyone else’s food, or discussed food with anyone in anyway.

Baital · 27/11/2024 14:12

I think you need to be honest with J about M's issues, and that you can't give M the level of involvement she (M) wants. That you need to set boundaries. That you want J to be part of your life, but you can't meet M's needs.

J might cut you off, but hopefully will be able to separate herself enough from M to be friends with you as well as a cousin to M.

If not, it is very sad. But it is out of your control.

Slacktides · 27/11/2024 14:17

You can't control either J or M's behaviour, only your own. I would explain exactly what you've said here to J, and have no further contact with M whatsoever.

I don't think M's eating disorder is the chief issue here. I have a close friend with a severe eating disorder, which has hospitalised her on a number of occasions, with her organs starting to fail. Other than this, she is an entirely sane individual, who works hard at therapy and finding ways to cope, and a very good friend. M is clearly significantly unwell, and the ED is a symptom.

CarnivoreCam · 27/11/2024 14:20

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LoveSandbanks · 27/11/2024 14:24

Most stalkers are mentally ill. Doesn’t mean their behaviour has to be tolerated.

It’s also perfectly possible to be mentally ill, vulnerable AND a twat. Step away from the woman, protect yourself.

BobbyBiscuits · 27/11/2024 14:26

It's very upsetting for you to have this person in your life. She's obviously very unwell and it's true to say being around people like that can negatively effect your own behaviours.

I'm in recovery from severe anorexia, and there is a family friend who is a sufferer, she acts weirdly around food and when she stayed at my house I found it really hard to eat in front of her. I ended up going three days without any food. Then when I ordered a pizza and ate one slice on day three she told me how disgusting it looked/how gross/fattening. This is a 70 year old woman.

So yeah, I understand why you want to withdraw from the friendship. I certainly wish her well but it's not fair for you to have to deal with her destructive behaviour. Her poor sister must be at her wits end over it.

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 14:39

Thanks for all the supportive messages everyone <3

its validating to hear that the boundaries I’m setting are sane, important and reasonable.

i’d be really upset if I lost J’s friendship over this, but I guess like you say that’s up to her.

it’s particularly helpful to hear from people who have suffered from EDs and who have sufferers in their lives. If someone is ill but they’re working hard to get better and they care about the consequences of their destructive behaviour, or they make every effort not to be destructive, then I have immense respect for them and I’ll support them as much as I can.

OP posts:
toomuchfaff · 27/11/2024 14:40

OrwellianTimes · 27/11/2024 13:59

You aren’t cutting contact because she has an eating disorder/mental health issues, you’re cutting contact because she’s insanely controlling and verging on narcissistic.

I’m recovered from AN, and honestly when the ED took over I was hell to live around, but I never ever commented on anyone else’s food, or discussed food with anyone in anyway.

Exactly..

controlling,
She doesn’t respect boundaries
Needy
manipulative
Irrational
Oblivious
delusional, swings wildly between mania and depression.
Nasty - "Harasses staff in restaurants"
Oversteps - She "examined the contents of the fridge, cupboards and bins at both my house and my parent’s house"* *WTAF, is she for real? She have been punched in the head of she did that in my parents house? Who does she think she is?

I mean, she sounds like a peach?

You're not cutting contact because she has an eating disorder. Youre cutting contact because she is a nightmare.

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 14:47

I should also add that I haven’t responded to a message from M for 4 months now, as I know this would only feed her delusion that we’re close friends.

I’ve blocked her number / blocked her off every social media platform. She’s extremely persistent about contacting me- the latest time I think she simply created a new email address and sent iMessages.

I’m wondering if there’s a way to block her IP address?

OP posts:
candycane222 · 27/11/2024 14:49

Poor J sounds as though she is effectively being abused by J and her parent and parent's sibling - and you are also suffering because of this.

Can you support J to establish some boundaries of her own ? (I realise the may be hard or impossible for her. But as it is it's almost as though everyone is hiding behind "well M has J and J's friends, she has a bit of a normal life doesn't she?". Really unfair on J.

something2say · 27/11/2024 14:56

I think the best thing to do is be honest. If you don't she will carry on chasing you. Also in being honest, she gets a true feel of how she has affected you.

Why should she get away with it?
She will not realise how off key she is.
She will carry on.
She will never know the truth about how her actions affected you.
Pussy footing around gets no one anywhere.

I know it is hard but it may be for the best - that's what I would do anyway. It is hard to struggle with people but it is for the best at times.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 14:56

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 14:47

I should also add that I haven’t responded to a message from M for 4 months now, as I know this would only feed her delusion that we’re close friends.

I’ve blocked her number / blocked her off every social media platform. She’s extremely persistent about contacting me- the latest time I think she simply created a new email address and sent iMessages.

I’m wondering if there’s a way to block her IP address?

I don't know much about IP addresses, but certain websites manage (Mumsnet does I think) to block them so there must be a way.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 14:59

I have an ED (obesity) but I am not like this, I think ED is not the issue here. Bipolar seems to be possibility (have a friend diagnosed who is similar but nowhere near as annoying and does respect boundaries) but even those with bipolar disorder need to learn to navigate boundaries.

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 27/11/2024 15:04

Plenty of people will use their mental illness to manipulate people, that’s what’s happening in this case.

Honestly at this point if she emailed after being blocked I would write back to her and say “I’ve blocked you, I’ve ghosted you, I’ve stopped responding to anything thing you say and you’ve not got the message, so here it is. Fuck off out of my life. Don’t ever contact me again.”

And if I wants to stick by her instead of you then her friendship probably wasn’t worth having either.

JFDIYOLO · 27/11/2024 15:08

The person I would be most concerned about is J. This poor person is being bullied by relations into including M, and imposing her on people who would rather not. It feels like a teen girl being made to include her much younger and unpleasant sibling in unsuitable activities. Why is J so downtrodden and unable to speak up for herself? Could you help her become more assertive and independent?

Foxblue · 27/11/2024 15:10

I do wonder what would happen if you were totally honest with her and said 'this behaviour is unacceptable and you need professional help'. I do get that it's not your 'place' but quite often with mental health people don't understand how unreasonable they are, if their daily lives have been built around them like it sounds like her parents have been. I don't know. She sounds really unwell, they must be so worried about her. The fact she must know you've blocked her, and is trying to get around it, is pointing to an issue other than an ED - id be worried about her escalating further. Does J know everything you've told us here?

recipientofraspberries · 27/11/2024 15:18

I really, really feel for J. I know she's a grown woman and it's ultimately her responsibility to assert boundaries, but it seems (from the very limited info I have) like she's been pressured into this role within the family and is now basically tied to M, and probably feels completely emotionally pressured to not "abandon" her. What about J's life? Why does she have to take M around everywhere with her like a pet?

I know these things are not your problem or remit, OP, and I'm not for one second suggesting you start getting more involved - the opposite, in fact. You must carry on doing what you're doing; no replying to M, certainly not seeing her again.

Could you have a really frank and honest discussion with J? Just sort of go "J... what the fuck?!" and frame it around how this is impacting J's life? I really hope you can keep your friendship with J, but you need to be careful that this doesn't develop into a stalking situation for you. It's already verging on one.

toomuchfaff · 27/11/2024 15:22

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 14:47

I should also add that I haven’t responded to a message from M for 4 months now, as I know this would only feed her delusion that we’re close friends.

I’ve blocked her number / blocked her off every social media platform. She’s extremely persistent about contacting me- the latest time I think she simply created a new email address and sent iMessages.

I’m wondering if there’s a way to block her IP address?

I wouldn't go to extremes to hide yourself away, I would be more direct, as @NotOneOfTheInCrowd pointed out above... “I’ve blocked you, I’ve ghosted you, I’ve stopped responding to anything thing you say and you’ve not got the message, so here it is. Fuck off out of my life. Don’t ever contact me again.” Take the hint....

I mean, it's like people think they are entitled to be a dick and people have to put up with it. News flash, they don't. Youre a dick, i don't like you, fk off!

You don't owe M anything, she isn't a friend, its not a 2 way street, she has never brought joy to your life. Maybe if people (her family) didn't enable her all her life, she wouldn't be as bad.

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