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To want to cut contact with a friend with an ED?

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Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 13:36

Hi there, I’m in a really hard situation and I’m looking for some advice, please be kind.

The context:

I met this person, let’s call her M, because her cousin, J, is one of my best friends. When I met M, we were in our early twenties and she was just starting to show signs of an eating disorder. She seemed to want us to be friends immediately and a little intensely. I enjoyed her company, I don’t live in the same city as her, and I got the sense that she was perhaps a little lonely, so I figured there wouldn’t be much harm in becoming friends with her and seeing her occasionally.

That was 15 years ago, and unfortunately M has had a severe eating disorder throughout. Quite honestly, I’m not sure how she’s still alive. It’s extremely upsetting to see how thin she is. I don’t understand how her body is still functioning. She’s severely damaged her organs, so much so that she’s no longer able to have children. She’s unable to lead an independent life, her parents care for her. She’s never been able to live on her own as an adult. Her family care about her very much, but they seem unable to get her some professional help.

We’ve spoken on and off over the years, and when I’m in town I go to visit her. I find the visits upsetting, but I want to support my best friend (J - her cousin). The family seem to put a lot of pressure on J to bring M along to social events, and a lot of people seem to have distanced themselves from both of them because of M’s behaviour.

I felt this was unfair, until I invited my best friend to visit my home for the weekend. I was in my first trimester of pregnancy at the time, and excited to share this with J. She asked if M could come, and I asked her if she was well enough and if we’d be able to keep her safe. J assured me that M was well enough to come, so I agreed.

I’m not sure if J is in denial and can’t accept the facts, or if she’s just completely overwhelmed and doesn’t know how to handle her cousin, but M is the most disturbed and mentally unwell person I’ve ever been around.

I’ve had my own struggles with mental health, and I firmly believe people shouldn’t be ostracised for being ill, but M is in desperate need of professional help and she’s extremely disturbed. Being pregnant I found it extremely stressful physically just being around her. I found myself locking myself in my room just to get away, at which point she started knocking on my door trying to talk to me. I felt unsafe.

M is very controlling, and not just with food. She doesn’t respect boundaries- wanting attention all the time. She tried to manipulate me into letting her stay longer, complained that I don’t contact her enough, and tried to get me to book a vacation with her. When I explained I didn’t want to travel due to pregnancy, she informed me you can still travel up 20 weeks and still expected me to book a trip. She’s completely delusional, swings wildly between mania and depression. Harasses staff in restaurants. She examined the contents of the fridge, cupboards and bins at both my house and my parent’s house, demanding to know what we were going to do with certain items of food.

The main issue is that she’s in complete denial that she has a problem and refusal that she needs help. She insists that she’s a ‘qualified nutritionist and neuroscientist’ (having studied this at uni)’ so apparently no mental health professional knows more about health than she does. She aggressively talks about food all the time, as if challenging you to say something. She seems to have a network of ‘pro-ED’ friends who she texts constantly and will back her up.

Worryingly, she seemed to want to come between me and J. We didn’t have the chance to talk at all, we were just trying to ‘handle’ the situation. After the weekend I was exhausted and angry. What was supposed to be a relaxing weekend with one of my best friends got completely derailed. J didn’t feel she could come to my baby shower unless M came with her, and I had to say no and go ahead without my J, as I wouldn’t have been able to relax with M there.

M now seems to think we’re close friends, and she keeps reminding me that I’m one of the only ones left. She’s bombarded me with messages on every platform- often sending me pictures of her daily meals (which she obsessively documents). I’ve asked her not to do this and gently explained several times that I’m not able to respond to her messages, and that I’d rather just come and see her when I’m next in town.

I feel I’m able to handle visiting her for an hour or so once or twice a year, but it’s upsetting to receive messages (they’re often controlling and manipulating in tone). I have a baby now, and I feel strongly that I want to keep our lives entirely separate from her manipulating influence, but I also don’t want to abandon her or stop supporting J. I understand that M’s illness is making her act this way, but she’s also way out of line.

I’ve tried blocking her on every channel of communication, but she always seems to find a way to get in touch with me. It’s exhausting.

I want to confront her and explain that I can’t be friends with someone who has a problem and refuses to get help. That her actions are hurting other people, and that I’m not going to allow her to cross boundaries and manipulate me.

She’s so aggressive and fragile though, I’m worried about how this will go down. I’m also worried about how this will impact my friendship with J. I’m getting married soon and I want J to be a bridesmaid, but again I don’t want M to come. J will accept this, but I can’t see this going down very well with M, who will no doubt demand an invite and use every trick in the book to make J feel guilty.

How do I protect myself and my friendship? How do I set healthy boundaries and stop M from contacting me without ghosting her completely? How do I handle this kindly?

Help and advice much appreciated, sorry for the long post xx

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Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 15:34

JFDIYOLO · 27/11/2024 15:08

The person I would be most concerned about is J. This poor person is being bullied by relations into including M, and imposing her on people who would rather not. It feels like a teen girl being made to include her much younger and unpleasant sibling in unsuitable activities. Why is J so downtrodden and unable to speak up for herself? Could you help her become more assertive and independent?

You’re absolutely right, as are the people who’ve brought up similar points. I’ve had conversations with J about this, but she seems to feel it’s her duty to include M, and she can’t seem to acknowledge just how ill M is.

I know an extended family member has tried to stage an intervention with the family but it didn’t work. I was ready to go along with whatever M wanted because it was easier after just one weekend, so I can sympathise with them- I can’t imagine how hard it must be for J, her parents and siblings.

I will keep trying with J though, gently reminding her that M’s behaviour isn’t normal and she doesn’t have to put up with it. shes been one of my best friends for over 15 years- I really hope she can find a way to disentangle herself.

upsettingly, M always comments on J’s weight a lot, calling her fat. J is a healthy weight! M’s never done it in front of me, perhaps sensing that I’d tell her off. She seems able to moderate her behaviour depending on who she’s around, which angers me because it shows she’s aware how her behaviour impacts others.

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MummaMummaJumma · 27/11/2024 15:43

OrwellianTimes · 27/11/2024 13:59

You aren’t cutting contact because she has an eating disorder/mental health issues, you’re cutting contact because she’s insanely controlling and verging on narcissistic.

I’m recovered from AN, and honestly when the ED took over I was hell to live around, but I never ever commented on anyone else’s food, or discussed food with anyone in anyway.

I agree with this. When I suffered from an eating disorder, I was the opposite to M. I was secretive and hated speaking about food, although it was all I could think about. I believe I was this way because I knew, deep down, what I was doing was dangerous and put my life at risk. It sounds like M believes she is the picture of health and so has become very aggressive to prove she’s in the right. You simply can’t change the mind of someone who believes they’ve got it all figured out and everyone else is wrong. It’s worrying she is in ED groups with other unwell individuals encouraging this self harm.

I personally would completely cut contact but I wouldn’t engage with her directly to explain why, she will not be able to comprehend this at the moment and will likely lash out. Your friendship with M sounds very consuming and you’ve many exciting events ahead of you, I hope it all works out for you.

CharlotteLucas3 · 27/11/2024 15:47

Sounds like she's got EUPD. Nothing you can do to help her.

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 27/11/2024 15:58

Ultimately though OP J is an adult.

We spend too much time infantilising adults, saying how they can’t help x/are being manipulated by y etc. She absolutely can walk away from m, she’s choosing not to.

I mean it would be one thing her spending time with her as part of the family, but to tell her when she’s coming to see you/spend the weekend with you and bringing her with her? That’s a conscious choice on J’s part.

I wouldn’t gently bring that up with her either. I’d be blunt with her and say that you want her to be a bridesmaid, and how wonderful it will be for J to attend an event without m in toe. Her reaction will tell you everything you need to know.

Make it clear that M isn’t invited to the wedding. If J says she’ll go and be your bridesmaid then great. If she insists that M should come as well, then I’d tell her no, and that it’s either her on her own or not at all. She’s an enabler, and you don’t have space for that either. So unless she respects your boundaries I would call a halt to that friendship as well.

Gymnopedie · 27/11/2024 16:06

I think you're going to have to put this back on J, and if her response isn't the one you would have liked you just have to go with it.

I don't mean in a 'it's her or me' type way, but explaining how difficult you find M's manipulation and control. I'd say give J time to vent too if she wants, but you've already done that.

And I think you need to do it sooner rather than later. If you want J as your bridesmaid but nothing has changed, the demands, guilting and manipulation from M to be one too will be so off the scale they'll be in the next galaxy. Then you'll have to deal with it, but more so will J. And I very much suspect she would think it just wasn't worth it and pull out.

The sooner you know where you stand on that score the better, so bite the bullet. There will never be a 'good' time to do it so it may as well be now.

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 16:09

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 27/11/2024 15:58

Ultimately though OP J is an adult.

We spend too much time infantilising adults, saying how they can’t help x/are being manipulated by y etc. She absolutely can walk away from m, she’s choosing not to.

I mean it would be one thing her spending time with her as part of the family, but to tell her when she’s coming to see you/spend the weekend with you and bringing her with her? That’s a conscious choice on J’s part.

I wouldn’t gently bring that up with her either. I’d be blunt with her and say that you want her to be a bridesmaid, and how wonderful it will be for J to attend an event without m in toe. Her reaction will tell you everything you need to know.

Make it clear that M isn’t invited to the wedding. If J says she’ll go and be your bridesmaid then great. If she insists that M should come as well, then I’d tell her no, and that it’s either her on her own or not at all. She’s an enabler, and you don’t have space for that either. So unless she respects your boundaries I would call a halt to that friendship as well.

I hadn’t thought about it on those terms but you’re right. I didn’t want to put J in the position of having to choose, but then that means I’m enabling this toxic dynamic too. Much better to put boundaries in place.

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CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 16:10

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 27/11/2024 15:58

Ultimately though OP J is an adult.

We spend too much time infantilising adults, saying how they can’t help x/are being manipulated by y etc. She absolutely can walk away from m, she’s choosing not to.

I mean it would be one thing her spending time with her as part of the family, but to tell her when she’s coming to see you/spend the weekend with you and bringing her with her? That’s a conscious choice on J’s part.

I wouldn’t gently bring that up with her either. I’d be blunt with her and say that you want her to be a bridesmaid, and how wonderful it will be for J to attend an event without m in toe. Her reaction will tell you everything you need to know.

Make it clear that M isn’t invited to the wedding. If J says she’ll go and be your bridesmaid then great. If she insists that M should come as well, then I’d tell her no, and that it’s either her on her own or not at all. She’s an enabler, and you don’t have space for that either. So unless she respects your boundaries I would call a halt to that friendship as well.

This. I would make it very clear to J how you feel about M coming along to everything you and J do.

Also we are talking about a vulnerable difficult person yes but ultimately an adult who will find new friends to hang with. If you "abandon" her (and I'm guessing that's the voice of M speaking there) she will need to find new friends, would that be a bad thing?

WinterStormClouds · 27/11/2024 16:15

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 14:59

I have an ED (obesity) but I am not like this, I think ED is not the issue here. Bipolar seems to be possibility (have a friend diagnosed who is similar but nowhere near as annoying and does respect boundaries) but even those with bipolar disorder need to learn to navigate boundaries.

You can’t possibly know what mental health issues this M has from what the what the op has posted. (Although as pp have said the behaviour sounds very narcissistic that’s a descriptive term not a diagnosis).

Bipolar is notoriously difficult to diagnose - often taking at least a decade from when someone suffering from it first presents with symptoms to an actual qualified doctor. As someone recently diagnosed with bipolar, I find it fucking offensive how often the term bipolar gets banded around.

Nothatgingerpirate · 27/11/2024 16:31

YANBU.
Massive shame what torture M. is getting through, I wonder who did this to her.
There is always someone in the past.
🙁

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 16:41

WinterStormClouds · 27/11/2024 16:15

You can’t possibly know what mental health issues this M has from what the what the op has posted. (Although as pp have said the behaviour sounds very narcissistic that’s a descriptive term not a diagnosis).

Bipolar is notoriously difficult to diagnose - often taking at least a decade from when someone suffering from it first presents with symptoms to an actual qualified doctor. As someone recently diagnosed with bipolar, I find it fucking offensive how often the term bipolar gets banded around.

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I’d find it offensive if I were you too. Very wise, thanks for your insight.

Personally I get annoyed when influencers say they are ‘obsessed’ with something (usually the product they’re advertising).

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Jostuki · 27/11/2024 16:43

J is related to M so she has ties to her. You don't.

Listen J, I can't take anymore of M and I'm cutting all contact and whilst I would love to remain friends with you I cannot see you if M is with you. Please don't try and help her make her contact, as it will be classed as harrassment and I will have no option but to inform the police that she is harassing me.

WinterStormClouds · 27/11/2024 16:53

Malorcamum · 27/11/2024 16:41

I’d find it offensive if I were you too. Very wise, thanks for your insight.

Personally I get annoyed when influencers say they are ‘obsessed’ with something (usually the product they’re advertising).

Thank you for your kind reply. So true about influencers.

I’m sorry to post without reference to your actual initial question!

I agree with pp comments that it’s only your own behaviour you can control. Boundaries definitely sound necessary to protect yourself from M’s extreme behaviour. I think you’ll have to make decisions on what is right for you not knowing how J will respond to your choices. Hopefully your friendship can continue.

I hope you have a fabulous wedding day and wish you both every happiness in your future marriage.

DiaryofWimpy · 27/11/2024 16:58

Here here @Malorcamum I know exactly how you feel.

WinterStormClouds · 27/11/2024 17:01

WinterStormClouds · 27/11/2024 16:53

Thank you for your kind reply. So true about influencers.

I’m sorry to post without reference to your actual initial question!

I agree with pp comments that it’s only your own behaviour you can control. Boundaries definitely sound necessary to protect yourself from M’s extreme behaviour. I think you’ll have to make decisions on what is right for you not knowing how J will respond to your choices. Hopefully your friendship can continue.

I hope you have a fabulous wedding day and wish you both every happiness in your future marriage.

And all the very best with your pregnancy. Wonderful, exciting times.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 17:04

WinterStormClouds · 27/11/2024 16:15

You can’t possibly know what mental health issues this M has from what the what the op has posted. (Although as pp have said the behaviour sounds very narcissistic that’s a descriptive term not a diagnosis).

Bipolar is notoriously difficult to diagnose - often taking at least a decade from when someone suffering from it first presents with symptoms to an actual qualified doctor. As someone recently diagnosed with bipolar, I find it fucking offensive how often the term bipolar gets banded around.

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Fair enough . Just I have a friend who has this diagnosis and she is similar . She diagnosed age 19 and is in her 50s now. Apologies for any offence. I just as someone with an ED cannot see this as only an ED issue. That said not all EDs present as the same way.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 17:10

JFDIYOLO · 27/11/2024 15:08

The person I would be most concerned about is J. This poor person is being bullied by relations into including M, and imposing her on people who would rather not. It feels like a teen girl being made to include her much younger and unpleasant sibling in unsuitable activities. Why is J so downtrodden and unable to speak up for herself? Could you help her become more assertive and independent?

That's the impression I get too. That J is very enmeshed In the family dynamic . Also why isn't M being encouraged to seek other friends and widen her social circle?

NiftyKoala · 27/11/2024 17:24

2024onwardsandup · 27/11/2024 13:41

i think you do need to cut contact with m completely. Explain what you’re doing and why to J and then it’s up to J to handle it.

send one final message to m explaining that you wish her well but you are not able to continue the friendship if you want to. But it won’t make any difference what you say to her.

you have no obligation to stay friends with m. The price of that maybe js friendship - but that’s the risk. J may be relieved to have m removed from the equation.

I agree with every word. This person is sort of like a emotional vampire.

RabbitsEatPancakes · 27/11/2024 17:26

I find this whole dynamic odd.

J must be in her late 30s, why is her family having such control over forcing her to have a cousin attend all her social meet ups?

Do they live together?

MzHz · 27/11/2024 17:43

Jostuki · 27/11/2024 16:43

J is related to M so she has ties to her. You don't.

Listen J, I can't take anymore of M and I'm cutting all contact and whilst I would love to remain friends with you I cannot see you if M is with you. Please don't try and help her make her contact, as it will be classed as harrassment and I will have no option but to inform the police that she is harassing me.

This is wise advice and suggestion

Plastictrees · 27/11/2024 17:45

It sounds like an incredibly difficult and complex situation and your feelings are completely valid, as is your need for boundaries.

I work in mental health and eating disorders are notoriously difficult to treat, particularly when it is as entrenched as M. To generalise, there tends to be a dysfunctional family dynamic entwined with rigid personality traits (such as need for control, perfectionism, obsessive tendencies) which serve to maintain the persons disordered eating and associated behaviours. It is very easy for family to enable someone with disordered eating, as often these behaviours serve the function of emotional regulation and it can be really distressing to see the person you care about so dysregulated and upset. It is also common for those around the person to be in denial and minimising the extent of the problem, sometimes to ease their own guilt of not ‘helping’ the person enough.

It is very difficult and you are well within your rights to assert some boundaries here and see M less or not at all. If you wanted to be particularly kind you could perhaps send a message saying something along the lines of your priorities changing / more demands on your time now that you will be having a baby, therefore you will not be in contact as much but you wish her well etc. As J is your best friend I would hope you could have a more open conversation with her about all of this and how it makes you feel. J should be able to understand your need to maintain a relationship with her separate from M, as it does not sound like a very healthy dynamic as it is anyway. I expect J has her head in the sand about the severity of M’s issues, however she cannot reasonably expect you to continue a relationship you are not comfortable with. Hopefully she understands this and can see things from your perspective.

It is very sad for M and I hope she will be able to access psychological support at some point soon. But do not feel any responsibility or guilt for reducing contact, it sounds like you have already gone above and beyond.

coconutpie · 27/11/2024 18:10

Life is too short to waste your time and energy on someone like M. I would tell J that you don't want to be around M any longer and you will only meet up without M there. M will not be invited to your wedding, etc. If M contacts you again, consider sending a message to say something like "please don't contact me again, I do not wish to remain friends" or something to that effect.

Malorcamum · 05/12/2024 22:00

@Plastictrees thank you for your insight, your message really resonated with me. Sorry it took me so long to reply, my baby has been keeping me busy!

Your post helped me to understand what's going on a lot better re: family dynamics. You clearly know what you're talking about :) I needed to hear that I shouldn't feel any guilt for reducing contact. Thanks for helping me to process this.

It's a sad situation and I hope that she can access help and get better, but like you say I've gone above and beyond.

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