Hannah Ingram Moore. AIBU Not To Be Surprised At Charity Commission Findings?

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After the bulldozing of her luxury spa I really am unsurprised at the findings that her and her husband did after all benefit significantly from the charity and repeatedly had their hand in the till. Did she honestly believe this would never come out?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86qdq67dd5o

Yes, agree with every word of this.

It always felt off to me. And also I was concerned that all this raising money thing was implying that the NHS is a charity. It is not. It is funded by our taxes. We were one step removed from the government sending us back to almshouses and pension clubs.

His family are grifters.

It’s surprising to me how lightly Penguin are getting away here. They allowed a book to be published with what they knew to be a misleading forward and premise. One that they knew would increase sales and their own profits. They may say that they were told a donation would be made but they made no attempt to verify that information or get a signed agreement to that effect. Any business knows that an informal undertaking like that means nothing. They allowed a charity name to be used to manipulate money out of people for which they benefitted. Why aren’t they been asked to donate some of the profits they made from people they allowed to be tricked?

Isn't this how all charities behave? Loads of expenses giving the top dogs a great lifestyle off the back of volunteers. The problem here is she wasn't part of the charity middleclass boss circuit so they've called her out on the bullshit. I wish all charities and foundations could be held to the same standard.

No, all charities aren't the same

I never understood the Captain Tom hysteria at the time and I still don't. I file it firmly in the 'driven to madness by COVID'. I can't believe people are still talking about them all these years later! The radio did a whole hours phone in this morning about it

It was like a cult!

Yes 2020 was bonkers. Especially on MN. The MNer who told people to put cheese in their coffee rather than go out and buy milk, and another who said washing powder isn’t an essential item, had me pissing myself (heaven forbid you made fun of them at the time)

Trustees in charities don’t get paid. Some charities pay expenses, most don’t

@Tontostitis no. Most charities are well run and follow the regulations. It can happen in small charities or ones run by volunteers that they unintentionally break rules because there’s a lot of them. But certainly charities above a certain size tend to be professionally run. And yes, that will often mean experienced paid staff. And generally better to have unconnected people as less chance of issues like this.

Yes I acknowledged that correction on pg 3

Please it really is not. All charities are held to the same standards which are set by the charity Commission.
countless charities in this country do fantastic work and are run by committed and passionate people on low salaries or volunteers. Maybe spend some actual time volunteering and see what charities are all about.

They marketed the book with proceeds going to charity. That is misleading and actually illegal.
They were asked to correct this twice and refused, so it wasn’t an accident or misunderstanding. They deliberately misled people who bought the book.

The other thread says they don't meet the criminal threshold, which is bewildering.

I’m surprised anyone bought his dull book. Was it just 400 pages about walking round his garden in lockdown?

No. Absolutely not, you could not be more wrong. The Trustees are not paid at all. The staff are paid but I can guarantee you they would earn considerably more if they worked in the public or private sector for the same jobs.

Surely the fact that these people have been caught tells you that this does not happen a lot. The Charity Commission is there to stop this kind of behaviour and when it happens, they are caught. But it actually happens very rarely as most that decide to work for a charity, knowing they will be poorly paid compared to comparable jobs in the public/private sector, do so because they are passionate about the cause. The Ingram-Moores are vile money grabbing thieves. Very rare in the charity world but by posting this kind of bullshit you are contributing to the damage they have done to the concept of charity.

At best your post is ill-informed. At worst it is part of the dangerous smear campaign that has the potential to damage charity fundraising which in turn can harm the lives of those who need charity.

Please, please can people stop spreading this bullshit, it's stupid and cruel.

Trustees aren't paid and share a huge amount of their expertise and knowledge for free.

I don't do it for kudos.

I do it because I know I have skills and knowledge that can add value and I wanted to support a charitable cause close to my heart

Far from being paid, I don't claim expenses and at times it is like doing an additional job

And charity jobs tend to be less well paid than their private or public sector equivalents

Then you are as vile and money grabbing as them. The book literally says that it will help to raise money for charity. They have deliberately misled the public. That would be a scummy thing to do if they were living in poverty but they weren't. They were already richer than most of us could dream off. It is pure and simple greed.

I responded to a FB post about a poor confused old man clutching a shopping list in the supermarket by saying that there were a lot of these type of posts around - apparently I hate old people and wanted them to all die!
The nasty comments I got were unbelieveable, I got a load of PM's too but I didn't even bother reading them.
People went nuts

I was a trustee of a charity, never got paid a penny but did it because I believed in it.
From the moment you join it is made crystal clear that you are to scrutinise anything to do with finances as if anything goes wrong it's on your head. I'm glad these grifters are being held to account.

I feel for the kids. No amount of money is worth messing up your kids.

Prime example of the damage that one rogue person running one rogue charity does. People use it to reinforce their own skewed belief that everyone involved in a charity is doing it for the wrong reasons.

It's mostly done to justify to themselves why they don't volunteer or donate, but it's so damaging. People are too hunkered down in their own prejudices that they won't even bother to understand what the Charity Commission is or does.

No,it went through his life story from birth onwards

Or at least that's the impression I got from the second hand copy I bought on ebay and the first 8 pages that I struggled through

I've read some utter shite,but this was the dullest book I've ever read

I'm told it did go on about his sex life a bit but I didn't get that far

So people who donate to charity are mugs?

Classy