Hannah Ingram Moore. AIBU Not To Be Surprised At Charity Commission Findings?

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After the bulldozing of her luxury spa I really am unsurprised at the findings that her and her husband did after all benefit significantly from the charity and repeatedly had their hand in the till. Did she honestly believe this would never come out?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86qdq67dd5o

Significantly is an understatement. Mining it for every penny. Utter money grabbing behaviour that has ruined the efforts made by the man himself.

Shameless

Absolutely. Odious woman.

It is a bad look, though not sure if it was illegal.
Have a feeling it was planned in advance.
who is the other trustee by the way- Stephen Jones? Apparently he can sue them if he wants to.

Unsurprisingly, we never see any of them locally as they hide away in their home. Not a single time in the last 2 years of living just a few minutes away have I ever seen them… and I’m pleased as I can’t stand what they have done to his memory and the good that he did.

They should be utterly ashamed of themselves, but sadly, I don’t think they will be since they had the audacity to do this in the first place. I hope that the book is thrown at them and they lose everything - it’s nothing short of what they deserve.

What happened to the money raised for nhs charities?
What has it been used on?

@PassingStranger As far as I’m aware that has been fully passed to NHS charities to use how they see fit. E.g. better staff common room facilities. This scandal is to do with the book money.

Hideously greedy and apparently without any remorse.

Not suprised in the slightest. His family are nothing but scummy grifters.

Ward I worked on got a cheap microwave 😡

How to leave an indelible stain on your own father’s legacy I guess. I’m more surprised she actually thought none of this would come to light. That in itself shows a lack of intelligence. I didn’t donate but I thought from early on something didn’t sit right with the way she embedded herself centre stage in all the publicity and lapped up any media attention she could get.

A sad case really for the ripple effect it will cause on similar charities.

I feel bad for her kids.

I feel fairly neutral about it.

Undoubtedly it was probably Sir Tom's daughter who got the media involved at the very beginning. Without that, there would have been little attention given to his efforts and all that money would never have been donated and raised for the NHS. He would have been a nice old man walking in his garden with not a great deal of reach. Sir Tom's family had probably been managing everything in the background all along and 38 million is a load of money. They never touched that money.

I feel it's not moral, but I can't be asked to be upset over them getting some personal cash on the side since then. Trustees in all these big charities get huge salaries. Why are the CC making it seem like a £85,000 salary was extraordinary?

I also don't see why there was such a fuss about the £18,000 payment by Virgin O2 being personally pocketed. There doesn't seem to have been anything strictly stipulating that it must go to the charity.

I feel the SPA and home cinema was wrong, but demolition was unnecessary.

I feel these people are shifty, but they have done good too. Unless someone is saying that the big mainstream charities never spend funds on superfluous things (Travel? Eating out in expensive restaurants? Conferences in expensive locations etc etc) and there aren't people on big salaries working in them, then to me they are perhaps correct to say they have received extraordinary scrutiny.

Hmmm. What’s the betting bankruptcy proceedings won’t be too far away around the corner?

Biggest grift going. I bet all those mugs who donated feel like absolute tits 😂

Grabby, soulless ghouls they are. They accepted a book advance in April 2020!! They must have had pound signs in their eyes as her old dad shuffled around his driveway.

However I think some of the blame has to be laid at everyone who completely lost their minds during the whole “Blitz spirit of COVID, keep calm and carry on” nonsense. It was a tremendous over reaction and many of us thought so at the time. I remember how mad people were going for Tom and I thought it’s just an old bloke who caught someone’s attention, but people were deifying him at ridiculous levels. I remember thinking “do people equate a WW2 veteran with themselves having to heroically stay indoors for a bit, is that why he’s so popular?”. Penguin sensed there was enough hysteria from the very start to warrant three books, because people who aren’t especially bright are whipped up into a frenzy over what is actually a fairly pedestrian story. People who enable these ridiculous fads about humans maybe wanna have a word with themselves. They overly worshipped an ordinary man and his family reaped the glory and then some.

This from an article is shocking. Twice the charity commission asked her to donate some funds from his books to the charity, and TWICE she refused.

Me and my DCs felt uneasy about it all but we wouldn't dare say anything to anyone. I think I said something on here and was shot down.

DysonSphere... With all due respect, the charity commission would not be damning them like this if they had acted in a moral and fair way. They weren't. They were making money off the back of the British public. The salary ..she was pushing for £150k. The demolition was totally necessary, they were trying to pretend it was a service to the people where they lived, and they only tried that one when they were being questioned about it being built.

I also blame the BBC. It is laughable how they are reporting it this morning when during covid every single morning literally, they were in his back garden. It was shoved down our throats from day one

The issue you with the £18k was that she was acting in the role of the CEO of the charity.
I work for a charity I also do some freelance work. Any work I'm doing in the name of the charity and because of my role there I do under my charity wage. I don't profit from that charity personally. If my charity was asked to attend something and be paid for it that money would go to the charity not to the person carrying out the work.

Trustees in all these big charities get huge salaries.

Not so. Staff (inc CEOs) may do. But trustees are, by law, unpaid volunteers for their trustee role except in very exceptional circumstances, which require permission from the Charity Commission.

Exactly this.

And many small charities are run almost entirely by volunteers.

Not at all surprised and so frustrated. Things like this undermine public trust in charities, the vast majority of which know and are sticking to the regulations. Every time I hear someone complain about CEO salaries or that small local charities are inherently better I eyeroll as running a charity is complex. You have to spend a decent amount of time and yes money on admin as it’s crucial to have decent oversight. I’ve worked in charities for twenty years and also a trustee and there’s so many passionate and dedicated people getting paid far less than they could get in commercial sector, not to mention thousands on volunteers who give time willingly and then along comes grifters like this. They are still maintaining they did nothing wrong,

The conflict of interest was clear. And that’s why the report is so damning. It beggars belief they didn’t even donate from book sales despite being asked by the charity commission. You cannot sell something to the public saying that proceeds will be donated and then not. So frustrating. No wonder people thing money doesn’t get to where it needs to go, when actually it does, because of high profile corruption like this.

I don't know why people are still chuntering on about "destroying his legacy"

The "captain Tom Moore" people think they know was nothing more than a media creation by Hannah Ingram Moore.

I think we need to be careful to clarify. The money people donated to the NHS did go to the NHS.

has it occurred to you people already knew that but were just waiting for her to be exposed?

The huge sum of money has largely been wasted. £38m could have built a hospital ward but the cash went on dribs and drabs like fruit baskets for nurses and snack stands for other NHS staff.

That’s charity spending for you - a worse scandal than anything his daughter could have done.