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To think my mum has a form of agoraphobia?

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/11/2024 08:47

My parents live about 250 miles away from me, I live close to where I grew up (moved here with DH and DD 13 years ago), they live up north where we moved when I was in my teens. Their journey to ours is a 3 train journey. They are in their early 80s (81/82) but in good health for their age.

We moved here 11 years ago and they have visited once, which was when I almost died due to a serious medical event back in 2018 - even then it took them 10 days or so to come down, and I'm not joking when I say I nearly died (it was a resus/ICU job).

Over the years since then I cannot remember the amount of times my dad has queried whether we would like a visit from them at some point in X month, of course I say yes, but every single time I either never hear anything more of it or when I enquire when the month in question is coming up I'm told of a variety of reasons why they won't be coming by mum, such as having a dentist/doctor appointment or she is feeling under the weather.

I, of course, go to see them when I can, but this hasn't been for a good while now as every time I suggest we or I come up, my dad says "oh, we were thinking of coming down to you then actually", that doesn't happen of course and I can't make last minute arrangements to go up when I was originally intending (job, kids, other obligations) so we just don't see each other!

The driver in all of this is VERY much my mother. They had intended on coming down in September, then decided that, as they were also intending on coming to us at Christmas, they wouldn't. Last night on the phone when I mentioned Christmas to my mum she gave me a variety of non-committal responses such as "I can't think of that at the moment as my tummy is playing up" and "it's very complicated getting down to you" (it isn't - it's a train journey and me collecting them from the station). So I know, with 99% certainty that they won't come down. I've explained that it's been 6 years now, she said there's always a reason why they can't, I said they aren't going to get any younger or less infirm (I use the word loosely, they aren't infirm at this stage), no real response to that. It's becoming quite hurtful and also sad for them as their whole life revolves around their small town - which has dwindling friends in it as they pass away or move away (to be closer to family ironically).

About 15 years ago mum was mugged on her own street, they didn't manage to get her handbag but they did fracture her shoulder. It must have been a terrifying experience for her. I'm wondering if she hasn't psychologically recovered from that and that she is suffering from some form of agoraphobia? I doubt she would ever acknowledge she had a problem or seek help for it - but her's and dad's lives are being severely limited and they are becoming isolated due to her apparent inability to leave their home town.

Do you think I am way off the mark here? Any words of wisdom?

OP posts:
Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 20/11/2024 08:53

It’s their life.
Whatever their reasons they may not be fully communicating them, but also, are you listening to them…or are you trying to get them to change their minds.
Do they have any conditions you don’t know about that make a 3hr train ride difficult and staying away from home hard. (Like IBS/incontinence etc).
Is it ruining their life, or are they content.
You are absolutely right to be upset they can’t come, but also, I’d probably just be the one to start visiting them. After all - it’s an easy journey.

LilacLilyBird · 20/11/2024 08:55

Anxiety

Lunedimiel · 20/11/2024 08:59

Trauma response? Being assaulted so badly your shoulder is fractured may have left an outsized need to manage environmental threats and to feel safe in one's surroundings.

Wolfpa · 20/11/2024 09:00

My MIL started doing this and it turned out to be the early stages of dementia.

if you are concerned talk to them, see what is going on.

MargotEmin · 20/11/2024 09:02

My parents live a similar distance and don't really show much interest in coming to visit me, they've come to visit twice in 15 years. It's never really struck me as an issue to be honest, long distance train travel/ driving isn't for everyone. They don't even really go on holiday very far these days, just camping in the hills and countryside in the surrounding counties.

The issue I would have in your shoes is them dithering and messing you around. Not the actual outcome if you see what I mean.

OAPapparently · 20/11/2024 09:04

I think my first thoughts would be

  1. can they afford to visit you? Train journeys are expensive and they could be embarrassed to say they cant afford it.
  2. Is there a reason they chose to move so far away when you were in your teens? Is there something about where you live now that is traumatic for your mum that you don’t know about?
inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/11/2024 09:05

MargotEmin · 20/11/2024 09:02

My parents live a similar distance and don't really show much interest in coming to visit me, they've come to visit twice in 15 years. It's never really struck me as an issue to be honest, long distance train travel/ driving isn't for everyone. They don't even really go on holiday very far these days, just camping in the hills and countryside in the surrounding counties.

The issue I would have in your shoes is them dithering and messing you around. Not the actual outcome if you see what I mean.

Yes, I do want to just say please stop making arrangements and cancelling.

OP posts:
inigomontoyahwillcox · 20/11/2024 09:07

OAPapparently · 20/11/2024 09:04

I think my first thoughts would be

  1. can they afford to visit you? Train journeys are expensive and they could be embarrassed to say they cant afford it.
  2. Is there a reason they chose to move so far away when you were in your teens? Is there something about where you live now that is traumatic for your mum that you don’t know about?

No finance issues - they are b comfortable in that respect.

They moved because of my dad's job. I'm not aware of any issues whilst we were living near here - and it is far enough away to not really remind her of the place we lived (completely different town/county but only 20 mins drive away). But who am I to say I guess.

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Goldenandsilverlight · 20/11/2024 09:08

Next time you suggest going to see them and they say ‘oh, but we’ll be coming to see you then’, why don’t you reply ‘No, that probably won’t happen, will it, so I’ll make the journey’.
By now you know what will happen so don’t go along with it.

Or is there some reason they don’t want you to visit? Kids too much for them, or very set in their routines etc?

SassK · 20/11/2024 09:21

You've chosen to live a considerable distance from them. Perhaps they're making excuses because telling you straight that they simply don't want to travel would offend/upset you.
We're all allowed to live a life that others might not understand. Lots of people are very happy to stay in and around their own town/shire (I personally don't like sleeping in any bed other than my own).
I think you have to accept that, for whatever reason, they don't want to travel. Let them know they're welcome but leave the ball in their court and stop pressuring them.

Catza · 20/11/2024 09:29

It's quite possible. My great aunt broke her arm in her mid 60s and essentially stopped leaning the house after that. She would only go down to a shop next door and will agree to be driven in a car under duress but only for things like visiting a GP. She would come up with similar plans that never came to fruition. We just always assumed that we are to visit even if she insisted she will make a journey.

Overtheatlantic · 20/11/2024 09:34

Have you thought of driving to collect them for Christmas? I’m nowhere near their age but find train travel very faffy and inconvenient, and anxiety inducing.

nokidshere · 20/11/2024 09:43

I think you are missing the point really. A 250 mile trip to stay in someone else's home when you are in you 80s is huge! It's possible that they really do want to see you but it's just too much for them. When they say it they probably mean it but when it actually comes to it the reality is very different.

A 3 hour train journey involves getting up, getting ready, eating, packing, getting to the station, on the train with limited access to a bathroom, getting to yours at the other end. That doesn't include walking the length of stations, navigating lifts, carrying or dragging suitcases, up and down stairs, escalators or lifts. And then you have to do it all again to get home.

At age 80 you are more likely to have food issues, bathroom issues, sleep issues. And I don't mean illnesses I mean just the change in diet and behaviour that comes with getting old. Because 80 is old. At 80, for most people, your world really does become smaller.

Talk to them, tell them it's ok if they can't manage it but you'd like to stop arranging and cancelling.

ItGhoul · 20/11/2024 10:11

It does sound a lot like your mum has some form of anxiety about travelling, yes. I'm guessing she hasn't even really admitted this to herself. My BIL's mum is similar.

EdgeofSeventy · 20/11/2024 10:11

I moved a 7 hour car journey from my family. My mum & husband visited once a year, driving here, and I visited at least twice by air as I don't drive and the train journey was very complicated.
When they told me this is the last time we're doing the journey I understood and increased my visits there.
It sounds like you're not able to have a direct conversation with either of your parents about why they don't want visits.
I'd be very worried about what was really going on there.
I perhaps wouldn't ask to visit and go by yourself and see them.
Expecting them to visit by train in their 80s is a bit much though, however easy you may think it is.

TherebytheGraceofGodgoI · 20/11/2024 10:36

nokidshere · 20/11/2024 09:43

I think you are missing the point really. A 250 mile trip to stay in someone else's home when you are in you 80s is huge! It's possible that they really do want to see you but it's just too much for them. When they say it they probably mean it but when it actually comes to it the reality is very different.

A 3 hour train journey involves getting up, getting ready, eating, packing, getting to the station, on the train with limited access to a bathroom, getting to yours at the other end. That doesn't include walking the length of stations, navigating lifts, carrying or dragging suitcases, up and down stairs, escalators or lifts. And then you have to do it all again to get home.

At age 80 you are more likely to have food issues, bathroom issues, sleep issues. And I don't mean illnesses I mean just the change in diet and behaviour that comes with getting old. Because 80 is old. At 80, for most people, your world really does become smaller.

Talk to them, tell them it's ok if they can't manage it but you'd like to stop arranging and cancelling.

Absolutely this. Saw it with my Gran and now my Mum as she has reached that age. It’s too much for them to cope with.

Itoldyousoo · 20/11/2024 10:46

I agree - you are underestimating the amount of effort it takes at that age.

EntropyCentral · 20/11/2024 11:19

Their journey to ours is a 3 train journey

Did you mean a 3 hour train journey, or that they have to change trains twice?
It makes a difference. Even so, at 80/81 I wouldn't be expecting anyone to do either, not on a regular basis anyway. I think you're underestimating the effort involved when you lose the agility of youth. Dragging suitcases around. Waiting on chilly platforms. Having trains cancelled and all the inconvenience that entails. I think here that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. I'd stop pushing it tbh.

cheezncrackers · 20/11/2024 11:23

I don't think it's that unusual for people in their early 80s to be like this, although I appreciate it's been going on for 11 years at this point. But a lot of people do become fearful, very risk averse, unwilling to undertake long journeys, travel, get too far away from their familiar places, etc. TBH, I think you'd be better off just accepting that they won't/don't visit you and deciding how often/when you're prepared to make the journey to them. My DM is 76 and the last time she visited me was March 2021 so I feel your pain!

CoastalCalm · 20/11/2024 11:39

The older I get the less I like being away from home especially if it involves an overnight stay. Does she go out when at home ?

FreshLaundry · 20/11/2024 11:53

My MIL’s anxiety means they have a very small life. No going into town after 5pm in case of danger, that sort of thing. They did visit us but don’t anymore. It’s sad for them but clearly not going to change. The issue will be if one of them passes leaving the other completely without friends or connections, but what can you actually do? It’s their choice at the end of the day.

OvaHere · 20/11/2024 11:57

It was probably a bit unreasonable of them 11 years ago but now in their 80s it's not going to change. My MIL used to do a similar train journey to visit us a couple of times a year but stopped about 5 years ago because she couldn't manage it anymore. It doesn't help that trains are frequently cancelled, platforms too cold and liable to be changed at a moments notice.

People vary of course- my DF in his 80s still drives and goes on solo holidays abroad but he's always been like this.

I think you just have to accept if you want to see them you'll have to do the leg work.

dandelionandbirdcock · 20/11/2024 12:12

I get what everyone’s saying about them being a bit older and visiting you might be stressful, but it sounds as if the other frustrating thing is you offering to visit them and them always finding a reason for it not to happen.

This is exactly how my MIL is. We know she gets anxious travelling to see us so we offer to go to her, and it’s happened once in the last three years. She’ll agree to it and then cancel because she says she’s feeling under the weather, or the dog was sick, there’s always something and they can’t all be valid, there’s just so many excuses.

It’s hurtful for my DH because it’s like she doesn’t want to see him, although they talk regularly on the phone. and she sees lots of other people and has friends locally. We’re a bit baffled.

The thing that worked in the end was basically insisting we were coming, and then we had a lovely lunch and she loved seeing us all and couldn’t stop telling us afterwards how much she enjoyed it. 😂

Mylovelylittlepetbedbug · 20/11/2024 12:22

I wish I had been more understanding when I used to take my late mum shopping/ car journey's/ social events. She was mid to late 70s at the time. She would fuss so.long getting off the train that I used to think it would take off with us still.on it. She would become very distressed saying that she couldn't rush . Every item in a shop had to be throughly examined ( even a loaf).
Her sister was the same
. Always a big drama that she had lost her purse, there were too many people ,too noisy etc. They always had to be home before it rained ,got dark( it was nowhere near) got cold.They had to be back for the news .
Their friend who was in her 90s and disabled was completely the opposite. Laid back. But she had had a difficult life with a severely disabled child so probably had to cope with difficulties.

I think my mum and her sister were very anxious to begin with so that travelling overwhelmed them as they got older. I guess that an easy journey to a younger person is harder as we age.

Annabella92 · 20/11/2024 12:26

Do they go on holiday?

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