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I’ve had no cooker for 10 weeks -social housing issue

101 replies

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 15:53

does anyone have any knowledge of cooker installation and or council housing repairs please? My South London council has left me unable to cook for more than 2 months now and refusing to assist. AIBU to think they should help?
My last cooker had one of those glass lids that you lift up for when hob was in use. Because it lifted up against the wall, I never really thought about what was behind the lid when cooking. However, the oven broke at the end of August and so it was time to order a replacement. Ordered a similar but without the glass lid (none of the ones for sale had one) with a major UK retailer/installer. I then received an email from them requesting that I check there were no sockets, plastics, combustible anything within ‘the hot zone’. If there were they would not be able to install due to fire safety I presume.
on checking I had a switched plug socket and separate plastic trunking both within the hot zone area. I postponed delivery and requested a repair from the council. Three weeks and many phone calls to them later ( as they’d messed the paperwork up) an electrician came out. He moved the socket but his manager told him that he was not allowed to move the plastic trunking/live wires as the council no longer chase cable into walls. I was told it would be safe as the plastic should be heatproof. A few days later of course the cooker was delivered and the installer took one look at the trunking on the wall and refused to install - it is located 25cm above the large back burner. He said even if I managed to find a cooker with a glass lid again, installation would be refused due to hot zone regulation. I’ve checked and this is standard across all the UK retailers.
the council repairs team have been awful. They’ve closed the repair request due to it being considered ‘decorative’ - they definitely think IBU. Electrics are way beyond my DIY. No local tradesman is getting back to me and besides, my Tenancy agreement says that moving electrical sockets etc is a no no in their property
so far I’ve reached out to the Town Hall/ lead Councillor - I was then told that the council were required to reply to him formally within 10 days - no response 22 days later and I’m just being told to wait.
I put in a formal complaint - no response
i contacted my MP - she’ll get back to me within 20 days (automated response)
my diet has gone haywire. I’m stressed, upset and dreading not being able to cook at Christmas when my child is home from uni…. Thank you to anyone who managed to read all this. I hate having to think about it - so boring I know - but really so stressful for me .. any advice mumsnetters?AIBU that I should be able to cook at home?

OP posts:
km21 · 19/11/2024 18:48

Wishfives · 19/11/2024 17:21

Why though? I own my house and I've got a electric socket too close to the sink (in today's standards, previously it wasn't) who's going to fix my situation ? I don't want to pay and electrician to sort it and then a plasterer to make good oh and the paint to sort out .....

That’s your choice though. The council has a responsibility to ensure safety standards are met in their properties as indeed would any landlord.

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 18:51

ginasevern · 19/11/2024 16:10

OP, write to a national paper - the Daily Mail always like this sort of thing.

Dont. the DM comments underneath the article will be just as nasty as a lot of the ones towards SH tenants on here

Tweet Daniel Hewitt at ITV News His new podcast The Trapped is about housing issues

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 18:53

Wishfives · 19/11/2024 17:21

Why though? I own my house and I've got a electric socket too close to the sink (in today's standards, previously it wasn't) who's going to fix my situation ? I don't want to pay and electrician to sort it and then a plasterer to make good oh and the paint to sort out .....

There is no money to be made from your situation by the post Grenfell health and safety exploitation industry SH housing on the other hand...............

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 18:56

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 17:37

Love a YouTube DIY! ..thing is, I’m in a 1950s build flat, concrete walls. Diamond tip drill bits, hefty hammer drill and brute force to put a picture up.. I’m really weary of electricity anyway. Honestly I decorate, tile etc. I’d do this if I thought I could. I cannot fathom why the council are saying it’s merely decorative when we’re talking combustibles and electricity next to heat and steam

You are in a flat? Have you had the front door of your flat replaced yet by a proper fire door?

caringcarer · 19/11/2024 18:58

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 17:37

Love a YouTube DIY! ..thing is, I’m in a 1950s build flat, concrete walls. Diamond tip drill bits, hefty hammer drill and brute force to put a picture up.. I’m really weary of electricity anyway. Honestly I decorate, tile etc. I’d do this if I thought I could. I cannot fathom why the council are saying it’s merely decorative when we’re talking combustibles and electricity next to heat and steam

People love to complain about LL's. I'm a LL and I'd have got it sorted within a week.

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 19:01

caringcarer · 19/11/2024 18:58

People love to complain about LL's. I'm a LL and I'd have got it sorted within a week.

Quite frankly there are private landlords who are a damn sight better than the social ones

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:11

HotCrossBunplease · 19/11/2024 17:51

This is a really unacceptable state of affairs for you OP.

When the council closed the repair request on the grounds that it was decorative, how was this communicated to you? Phone, or email?

Do you have anything in writing related to the installer’s refusal to install due to the dangerous positioning of the wiring? This could/should be shared with the Council to demonstrate that this is a safety issue. Can you maybe ask the retailer for an email now, if you have nothing at the moment.

Clearly the council is completely wrong to consider this decorative. How frustrating that your councillor is unresponsive.

apologies, I only just read this. They didn’t notify me formally - I called the service centre for an update and an agent read it out to me. That was more than 4 weeks ago and I’ve had zero contact from them
since. I put it in the hands of the Lead Councillor … who will not be getting my vote again - he told that he had contacted them
and would have a formal response within 10 days. We’re on day 22 now and all he could tell me was to continue
towait .. I know they’re all busy people but jobs are being done poorly imho

OP posts:
Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:12

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 18:56

You are in a flat? Have you had the front door of your flat replaced yet by a proper fire door?

Yes 😊

OP posts:
Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:14

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 19:01

Quite frankly there are private landlords who are a damn sight better than the social ones

Yes and ironically, my council loves to hold them to all regulations

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 19:16

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:14

Yes and ironically, my council loves to hold them to all regulations

Only the ones that ££££££££££

sillystrings · 19/11/2024 19:16

ToxicKat · 19/11/2024 17:51

I don't think the council will do anything, they have provided the necessary stuff to have a cooker. Can't you sell the new one and buy the lid one, this could go on forever

No she can't, can you even read?

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:17

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 18:51

Dont. the DM comments underneath the article will be just as nasty as a lot of the ones towards SH tenants on here

Tweet Daniel Hewitt at ITV News His new podcast The Trapped is about housing issues

There’s been a comment or two where I think they’d rather me be grateful for a camping stove. Ideas above my station and all that

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 19:19

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:17

There’s been a comment or two where I think they’d rather me be grateful for a camping stove. Ideas above my station and all that

I rest my case re. the comment about £££££££££

WiddlinDiddlin · 19/11/2024 19:19

I think you have to either go the 'proper' route through complaints, ombudsman, MP, media..

Or..

Hide the trunking in a wood/plaster frame and splashback over so its no longer visible - then the oven can be installed...

Or:

Put in a unit that will take a built in oven without hob, and use a portable hob wherever you feel like on the worktop.

The latter two options are more likely things you can do yourself, and so are likely to result in oven and hob use much more quickly.

Joterrin · 19/11/2024 19:20

I would keep ringing the council every day, become a nuisance.
Send photos, show them the installation contracts.

Ive not had a cooker since January, due to rental not having one & being evicted anyway.
I use an air fryer & cook from scratch in that, pasta & mashed potatoes in the microwave & I’ve just ordered a soup maker.

nutbrownhare15 · 19/11/2024 19:23

Write an email to everyone you have contacted so far requesting an update and explaining that you have now been without a cooker for X days. Copy in your local newspaper to help get them moving

caringcarer · 19/11/2024 19:30

Joterrin · 19/11/2024 19:20

I would keep ringing the council every day, become a nuisance.
Send photos, show them the installation contracts.

Ive not had a cooker since January, due to rental not having one & being evicted anyway.
I use an air fryer & cook from scratch in that, pasta & mashed potatoes in the microwave & I’ve just ordered a soup maker.

I lovey soup maker. I just brought it back out in October.

Rokuandice · 19/11/2024 19:32

Joterrin · 19/11/2024 19:20

I would keep ringing the council every day, become a nuisance.
Send photos, show them the installation contracts.

Ive not had a cooker since January, due to rental not having one & being evicted anyway.
I use an air fryer & cook from scratch in that, pasta & mashed potatoes in the microwave & I’ve just ordered a soup maker.

Oh my gosh! I forgot the soup maker! Thank you for reminding me 😊😊 fresh soup tomorrow for sure… this is going to sound weird I know - but the name air fryer has stopped me from buying one .. the fact it says ‘fry’— my friends all swear by them
and think I’m being silly

im so done with calling the council, it literally gets me nowhere. I’m just waiting to send it to the ombudsman I think. They deserve for this to be investigated whatever the outcome

im so sorry to hear you were evicted. I hope your settled in your rental now xx

OP posts:
NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/11/2024 19:37

ToxicKat · 19/11/2024 17:51

I don't think the council will do anything, they have provided the necessary stuff to have a cooker. Can't you sell the new one and buy the lid one, this could go on forever

They haven't if the location of cabling/sockets/etc means that it is now illegal to install a cooker in the only space that allows for one in their property.

Thinking back to my old flat, the cooker switch and socket was installed directly above it in a large plastic housing that would get damp from steam/condensation whenever anything was cooked, even with a lid. So whoever lives there now will be in the same situation when they need to replace their cooker.

Joterrin · 19/11/2024 19:40

Enjoy your soup maker!
mine is arriving Thursday & I’ve already got 3 different soups to make.
I love my air fryer, saves so much time with the kids.
I make curries, stir fries, pasta sauces, bolognese, burritos/enchilada’s, different types of eggs & chilli in mine.

Good luck & I hope you get it sorted.

sillystrings · 19/11/2024 20:03

Have you got a resident liaison officer? Or a community group for your building or area?
If so get onto them & also definitely contact shelter. They deal with all sorts of housing issues and the expectation by the council you can never have a cooker again unless you pay for the electric to be rerouted (which they don't allow) is completely unacceptable

Happyher · 19/11/2024 20:25

OP - is the cooker intended to slot in the cooker space that was there when you moved in or have you repositioned it? If it’s the original space this should probably have been rectified before you moved in. It seems strange to have cabling behind trunking above a cooker.

Is there anywhere that gives free legal advice nearby. Shelters been suggested earlier and I would advise you to contact them. If this breaches electrical H&S you could have a claim for disrepair. Make a written record of all the contact you’ve had with the council. Councils take disrepair claims very seriously as failure to deal with them timeously can cost them a lot in compensation.

If you’ve moved the cooker to a different place then I think you will have to bear the cost of fixing the trunking and you may need permission from the council to do this

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 19/11/2024 20:31

Why should they? Buy your own cooker like everyone else

JenniferBooth · 19/11/2024 20:33

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 19/11/2024 20:31

Why should they? Buy your own cooker like everyone else

Hope you have a neighbour joined to your house in the same situation who takes that advice

KABOOM!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 19/11/2024 20:35

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 19/11/2024 20:31

Why should they? Buy your own cooker like everyone else

Dear me - is that the best you can do. If you are going to try to stir things up perhaps make it vaguely relevant to the actual content of the thread