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By making Jeremy Clarkson their spokesperson, Farmers have shot themselves in the foot

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Coolasfeck · 19/11/2024 14:34

JC openly admitted to becoming a farmer to avoid IHT. Why do farmers think having him as the figurehead will help them? Just because he’s off the telly doesn’t mean ordinary people will support him. It makes them all appear to be out of touch millionaires.

Feels like a spectacular own goal. Either that or the media is setting them up by making him the focus.

Quote from Sky News:

‘Those generous reliefs have made agriculture an attractive investment for those seeking to shelter wealth from the taxman.

Clarkson, the UK's highest profile farmer - and opponent of the government's plans - said as much when promoting his Amazon series about becoming the proprietor of Diddly Squat Farm in Oxfordshire.

"Land is a better investment than any bank can offer. The government doesn't get any of my money when I die. And the price of the food that I grow can only go up," he told the Times.

Mr Clarkson is far from alone. Private and institutional investors, along with so-called "lifestyle" farmers funding purchases from previous careers, like the former Top Gear presenter and his Oxfordshire neighbour, the Blur bassist Alex James, now dominate agricultural land purchases.’

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/whats-the-beef-with-farmers-inheritance-tax-13256257

What's the beef with farmers' inheritance tax?

As thousands of farmers cry foul over tax measures in the budget, Sky News explains the issues at stake and why they feel so aggrieved.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/whats-the-beef-with-farmers-inheritance-tax-13256257

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FranticHare · 19/11/2024 19:17

unrsnblyannoyd · 19/11/2024 19:12

Yep let's carry on the attacks on these greedy callous capitalist farmers. You know what? Clarkson at least doesn't try to hide who and what he is. And the fact he's there brings publicity which is much needed. I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of people who have never set foot on a farm longer than a petting zoo setting out the evils of farming. Keep it up. If the shelves aren't empty now they soon will be. Those empty fields will soon be home to your affordable (not) housing. And your food will be chemically induced chemically created junk and the world will wail what is wrong with our health why are we sicker than ever. And the answer will be this. Sickened.

Agree with all of this.

It is astonishing how people are literally biting the hand that feeds them.

whether you like Clarkson or not is irrelevant. He is just 1 farmer. And yes, his land is used for food production, so yes he is a farmer. We need more land producing food, not less! Why people are arguing for less food on their plates is baffling. You think food can be expensive now - you wait till 75% is imported!

Noras · 19/11/2024 19:17

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 19/11/2024 16:06

*MarkWithaC *Sorry I wasn't very clear. The signing land over early would be to take advantage of the 7 year rule, assuming we lived for 7 years after signing. The point about lowering land prices was referring to the new tax measures which might mean agricultural land is no longer attractive to big investors and if its only genuine farmers who are looking to buy then the price might fall.

Yes but the way things of going I would imagine that the CGT reliefs will be the next thing to go. So farmer like everyone else will have to stomach a CGT bill when they give their farms away. If roll over relief has not been abolished yet it will be.

Aliciainwunderland · 19/11/2024 19:24

FranticHare · 19/11/2024 19:17

Agree with all of this.

It is astonishing how people are literally biting the hand that feeds them.

whether you like Clarkson or not is irrelevant. He is just 1 farmer. And yes, his land is used for food production, so yes he is a farmer. We need more land producing food, not less! Why people are arguing for less food on their plates is baffling. You think food can be expensive now - you wait till 75% is imported!

The farmer hate is crazy. Calling them greedy, selfish ect when they work for less than minimum wage when you add in all the hours.

the reason there has been an inheritance tax break is so farms can pass to the people who are working them. Back breaking work to get food on our tables.

what is so hard to understand that this is not the same as inheritance tax on your parents house?

what is so hard to understand that this will directly affect everyone of us?

PassingStranger · 19/11/2024 20:11

Was that jeremys final answer.🙄

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:26

I know @Aliciainwunderland - it's staggering how people can't make this connection. It really does feel like a race to the bottom these days.

Bloom15 · 19/11/2024 20:33

ExtraOnions · 19/11/2024 15:16

He is the face of the campaign whether farmers like it or not.

A millionaire hobby farmer, who openly said he bought the land to dodge tax. Who boats about killing protected species. He’s exactly the kind of person the government is targeting.

First three million tax free… and let’s not forget they barely raised a murmur about the amount of income they lost due to Brexit.

They should be more taxed for the river pollution alone.

No idea why they think they are such a special case .. what other occupation shouod be exempt?

I do agree with this actually - everyone else has to pay why are they a special case?!

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:35

Because they feed us @Bloom15 & we need that to continue generation through generation.

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:38

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:35

Because they feed us @Bloom15 & we need that to continue generation through generation.

Doctors heal us - still have to pay tax
Teachers educate us - still have to pay tax
Many professions are essential- still not tax exempt.

setpieces · 19/11/2024 20:44

@Aliciainwunderland
People who aren't farmers did backbreaking work to leave something for their next generation.
Still have to pay tax on it.

Farming families are inheriting a valuable asset. I don't see why that shouldn't attract IHT - in fact I'm astonished it was previously completely exempt.

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:46

I agree @HeadNorth but none of those professions are reliant on their DCs carrying on the family job to keep providing that essential service.

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:53

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:46

I agree @HeadNorth but none of those professions are reliant on their DCs carrying on the family job to keep providing that essential service.

Well, they are reliant on someone doing it - you don’t get tax breaks for it happening to be your offspring. Still not clear why farmers think they are so special.

Round my way the farmer dug up all the hedgerows years ago, destroying wildlife havens and increasing flood risk. The latest money making wheeze seems to be solar farms, since they’ve fucked a lot of their land. Fresh blood might be beneficial at this stage.

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 21:00

We'll have to agree to disagree @HeadNorth

PCOSisaid · 19/11/2024 21:00

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:38

Doctors heal us - still have to pay tax
Teachers educate us - still have to pay tax
Many professions are essential- still not tax exempt.

Doctors also get to charge ridiculous day rates and earn tens of thousands of pounds a year after expenses. Many, many, many farmers are working for less than minimum wage to keep their farm secure and provide for us.

They also don’t get to decide how much their land is worth, it’s not like you can just move as a farmer.

Take where I live in Yorkshire, green belt land, house prices are insane because it has an easy access to the city for work: so guess what, all the doctors etc on silly money live here and will pay a premium for it. Then gleefully rub their hands whilst their money is tied up in investments, watching the country side fail.

The land that is being farmed has been in generations for 100s of years and barely turns a profit thanks to the likes of Tesco, Asda etc.

Honestly some people should be ashamed of themselves- literally biting the hand that feeds you? And for many of those, so what? Taxing farmers is only going to put the food prices up, so you probably won’t be able to see a doctor any quicker etc anyway, because more people will be ill due to food poverty. More social spending will be needed due to food price increases. Or we could just eat the throw up houses some people would like to be seen built on green belt land.

setpieces · 19/11/2024 21:48

Farmers owning land worth several million, that has been exempt from IHT since time immemorial, threatening food poverty on others are the ones who should be ashamed.

(And most of them voted for Brexit. You fucked over me and my family so zero sympathy now they're coming for your tax exemption.)

FranticHare · 19/11/2024 21:50

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:38

Doctors heal us - still have to pay tax
Teachers educate us - still have to pay tax
Many professions are essential- still not tax exempt.

But to be a teacher, you don’t need anything more than a qualification. Same as doctor, or solicitor, or many other professions. I’m not saying those qualifications aren’t hard work, and that they don’t take time, but that is ‘all’ you need. The right attitude, and the right capability, and you can do it.

To be a farmer is fundamentally different. You need land, and plenty of it. And it has to be the right land. No point growing crops on the side of a mountain. And that land needs to be in one place, accessible for the farming machinery required, or so you can easily rotate the fields your animals are on.

You need to understand your land. What works, what doesn’t, where it floods, where it doesn’t. What grows well, what doesn’t. What the soil needs. So much more. That only comes from experience. Working on your parents farm for years, learning all that you can from your parents, working every waking hour, 7days a week. Few if any holidays.

All that can only come from generational farming. Passing the land and knowledge that takes years to acquire from one generation to the next. The vast majority of farmers could not be farmers if their parents weren’t.

If you evict all the farmers that know their land because of an ill thought out IHT policy, so much knowledge will be lost. Generations of knowledge. You won’t get that back. And once that farm is sold off to building, or solar farms, or wind - the land is lost. Forever. And now we have to import even more food, adding more food miles, and increasing our food costs.

But hey. Instead of listening to the farming community, let’s lose all our farms, and then see how that works out. I mean history teaches us nothing about being cut off from food imports…. Food rationing again anyone?

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 21:53

Thank you for articulating that @FranticHare - well said.

bombastix · 19/11/2024 21:57

I don’t know about threatening food poverty. Many people are already in it.

What is to stop the U.K. using its free trade agreements to increase imports? A lot of this food will be very competitive with U.K. farmers. Some of it will be very cheap. The U.K. is a poorer country than it was a decade ago. Peoples wages have had little growth. The poverty is already here.

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Portakalkedi · 19/11/2024 22:12

Not sure I understand the big fuss about this. Surely anyone with assets worth millions can get legal advice about trusts etc for the purpose of tax avoidance. isn't that what all wealthy people do so they don't have to pay the same taxes as us plebs?

Abhannmor · 19/11/2024 22:17

If food is more expensive and shelves are empty you can blame the Brexit the farmers campaigned so loudly for. Add in the tariffs their hero might introduce in the USA.
On the other hand , supermarkets could pay their shareholders a slightly smaller dividend? Its not illegal. Farmers are just one link in the chain after all

FranticHare · 19/11/2024 22:18

bombastix · 19/11/2024 21:57

I don’t know about threatening food poverty. Many people are already in it.

What is to stop the U.K. using its free trade agreements to increase imports? A lot of this food will be very competitive with U.K. farmers. Some of it will be very cheap. The U.K. is a poorer country than it was a decade ago. Peoples wages have had little growth. The poverty is already here.

You don’t understand. Transporting anything is expensive. Putting things in lorries and transporting from a to b costs money. Putting stuff in an aircraft costs money. And food is perishable - unless you transport quickly it’s gone off. You know when you buy fruit from the supermarket from far flung places and the fruit goes from unripe to gone off in the space of an hour? That’s due to transportation issues. Now multiply that up. Now imagine how much food would be lost during transit - and guess who pays for that.

The cost of the fuel, of the drivers, of running/maintaining the lorry’s - all adds to the cost of your bread. The additional costs involved now of bringing stuff into the country from Europe - guess who pays for that.

You think people are experiencing food poverty now? It would be nothing!

Countries have wildly different rules on what is and what is not fit for human consumption, Bleached chicken being a famous one, But you can add different pesticides, fertilisers, vets treatments that are allowed into the food chain in some countries, but not in others. We would have to really drop our standards if we want to rely on the rest of the world to feed us.

And it is not a good idea relying on others so much! WW2 taught us that! We were so close to being cut off from food. So close. And things haven’t changed - Ukraine was known as the bread basket of Europe as they produced so much wheat. Now look what happened!

Also, fruit/ eg etc harvested at the point it is ripe is far far tastier and better for us, then when it’s picked early to allow for long transportation. Compare UK strawberries to imported ones - uk are so much sweeter, juicier and so much more flavour. Yet people are happy to lose all that.

PCOSisaid · 19/11/2024 22:21

setpieces · 19/11/2024 21:48

Farmers owning land worth several million, that has been exempt from IHT since time immemorial, threatening food poverty on others are the ones who should be ashamed.

(And most of them voted for Brexit. You fucked over me and my family so zero sympathy now they're coming for your tax exemption.)

Most countries in Europe have seen more food inflation than the uk, brexit hasn’t had the effect most (Financially well off) people hoped for, to try and prove their points 🤦‍♀️

There is a massive war in a huge exporter of food oil and feed going on right now, and that little inconvenience of a global pandemic.

Farmers are not taking in millions of pounds, they have land that costs loads because greedy corporations are willing to pay that much to then turn over a cheep profit by absolutely raping the land and then sell it on for a profit to developers, once the soil isn’t profitable. Uk veg and fruits are some of the most nutritious and have the best quality due to careful management.

We will end up like American ironically - where food is full of chemicals and expensive - totally in the pocket of big companies. But that’s what all the left voted for….

setpieces · 19/11/2024 22:24

Yes English strawberries taste sweet. But that doesn't mean that people inheriting an asset worth millions shouldn't pay a proportion of tax on it (a proportion especially smaller, over a longer period of time, at a threshold higher) than any other class of people who has strived to better the country and their family.

setpieces · 19/11/2024 22:26

Brexit was a matter that disadvantaged my family personally. I'm happy to see farmers wear a bit of pain they didn't vote for.

(I can afford higher food prices. If I could move back to mainland Europe I would).

PCOSisaid · 19/11/2024 22:27

setpieces · 19/11/2024 22:24

Yes English strawberries taste sweet. But that doesn't mean that people inheriting an asset worth millions shouldn't pay a proportion of tax on it (a proportion especially smaller, over a longer period of time, at a threshold higher) than any other class of people who has strived to better the country and their family.

Who decides what their land is worth though? The government? The wealthy people who can afford to live and commute from the countryside?

stop being naive. IHT will not only reduce the quality of our food, it will increase the price also. And if bug corporations get there hands on farms, say good bye to the countryside

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