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Should we be worried about war

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Seasidesand76 · 19/11/2024 11:45

Seen a lot in the news about Ukraine using USA missiles against Russia. I've been thinking more along the lines that it won't start a WW3 and will resolve at some point without the UK getting directly involved in war. But there seems to be more and more tension and threats of an all out war recently.

Should we be worried about WW3? I haven't been prepping or anything but does make me wonder if I should start getting a few days worth of food in case. At the same time I don't want to go down the prepper hole and start getting over the top.

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deeperdrivens · 23/11/2024 19:31

MissConductUS · 22/11/2024 18:17

I asked directly because you completely ignored the point of my earlier post.

Graham's point was that it would hurt the world's economy if China and Russia had a near monopoly on the minerals in the long run. This is in no way "pushing for war". How could the US push for a war that was started by Russia? Do you think that self defense on the part of the Ukrainians or the act of providing assistance to them is somehow an act of aggression? Is the UK, Poland, or Germany pushing for war by doing so?

The minerals in Ukraine are not needed to save the world economy - nor as you put it either. But if you think that is what the senator meant, are you saying that he supports Ukrainians dying and their land being destroyed just so that the west has a monopoly on the minerals? That is appalling, morally and otherwise.

Economic power interests were key factors in decison making in ww 1 and ww2, and numerous other conflicts, this is nothing new. But no, the minerals are not needed to save the world economy.

DogInATent · 23/11/2024 20:24

FindingMeno · 23/11/2024 19:05

Does anyone find the bomb threats/ controlled explosions over the last few days, with no ongoing discussion afterwards on the news as to who was behind them, a little concerning?
Or does this sort of thing happen all the time and the media is making a big thing out of it?

No.
The people that "find things concerning" are generally those that live under a blanket for most of their lives and only pay too little attention too late when it's fashionable to be concerned, although they never manage to find it fashionable to be informed.

deeperdrivens · 23/11/2024 20:51

deeperdrivens · 23/11/2024 19:31

The minerals in Ukraine are not needed to save the world economy - nor as you put it either. But if you think that is what the senator meant, are you saying that he supports Ukrainians dying and their land being destroyed just so that the west has a monopoly on the minerals? That is appalling, morally and otherwise.

Economic power interests were key factors in decison making in ww 1 and ww2, and numerous other conflicts, this is nothing new. But no, the minerals are not needed to save the world economy.

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@MissConductUS what minerals exactly is the senator talking about, and where are they, are they in Donbas or Crimea or both?

Alexandra2001 · 23/11/2024 21:00

DogInATent · 23/11/2024 20:24

No.
The people that "find things concerning" are generally those that live under a blanket for most of their lives and only pay too little attention too late when it's fashionable to be concerned, although they never manage to find it fashionable to be informed.

Totally agree, anyone who has worked in any MOD base over the last 30 or 40 years or listened to the news at all, would be familiar with "controlled explosions"

Its when they are not controlled is when we really have to worry.

Putin has been using nerve and radio active poisoning in the UK over the 20 years or so & before that, other Russian leaders have killed people over here too.

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:01

@DesdamonasHandkerchief
The Nk soldiers are in Russia as they have a defiance contract with them. They are not in Ukraine

Alexandra2001 · 23/11/2024 21:02

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:01

@DesdamonasHandkerchief
The Nk soldiers are in Russia as they have a defiance contract with them. They are not in Ukraine

What a relief!

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:05

So I have no idea why Keir has decided to escalate when we in the Uk are so vulnerable both political and geographically. I do not want to risk being in a war for Ukraine

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:11

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:05

So I have no idea why Keir has decided to escalate when we in the Uk are so vulnerable both political and geographically. I do not want to risk being in a war for Ukraine

We have nuclear capability. MAD keeps us 'safe' and we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. We have a programme for Ukrainian refugees.

Keir Starmer has the intelligence to know what he's doing.

Llttledrummergirl · 23/11/2024 21:19

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:05

So I have no idea why Keir has decided to escalate when we in the Uk are so vulnerable both political and geographically. I do not want to risk being in a war for Ukraine

Then I suggest you get yourself informed. Keir hasn't escalated anything, and it could end tomorrow if putin gets his troops back to Russia and stops willy waving.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 23/11/2024 21:26

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:01

@DesdamonasHandkerchief
The Nk soldiers are in Russia as they have a defiance contract with them. They are not in Ukraine

So it's okay for NK to enter the war on russia's side as long as they stay in russia so by that reckoning it's fine for Poland say, to put boots on the ground for Ukraine as long as they stay in Ukraine and have a defence contract?
Also let's not forget that NK denied their involvement at all initially, do we really believe NK troops will stay in Kursk?

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:27

Britain is being invaded by the third world. Invaded by people invited by a treacherous government.
I'm more worried about starmer than Putin.... especially as tony Blair if back whispering in two tiers ear.
Putin won't waste his time invading a country where the kids don't know what changing room to use

fedup33 · 23/11/2024 21:27

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:27

Britain is being invaded by the third world. Invaded by people invited by a treacherous government.
I'm more worried about starmer than Putin.... especially as tony Blair if back whispering in two tiers ear.
Putin won't waste his time invading a country where the kids don't know what changing room to use

What on earth do you mean?

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:33

fedup33 · 23/11/2024 21:27

What on earth do you mean?

Which bit are you struggling with love?

herecomesautumn · 23/11/2024 21:48

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:05

So I have no idea why Keir has decided to escalate when we in the Uk are so vulnerable both political and geographically. I do not want to risk being in a war for Ukraine

The prime minister isn't escalating anything.

Silly wee sausage.

herecomesautumn · 23/11/2024 21:52

OceanStorm · 23/11/2024 21:01

@DesdamonasHandkerchief
The Nk soldiers are in Russia as they have a defiance contract with them. They are not in Ukraine

So the russians can't complain about non Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine

Glad that's cleared up

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:57

It's a proxy war between Russia and the west.
The west funded zelenski then invested in a country on Russia's border. There was western bio labs up against russian territory.
The whole world has its eyes on Ukraines resources... being against the wests actions doesn't mean you support Putin.

herecomesautumn · 23/11/2024 22:07

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:57

It's a proxy war between Russia and the west.
The west funded zelenski then invested in a country on Russia's border. There was western bio labs up against russian territory.
The whole world has its eyes on Ukraines resources... being against the wests actions doesn't mean you support Putin.

Bio labs🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

House!!!!

MissConductUS · 23/11/2024 22:10

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:57

It's a proxy war between Russia and the west.
The west funded zelenski then invested in a country on Russia's border. There was western bio labs up against russian territory.
The whole world has its eyes on Ukraines resources... being against the wests actions doesn't mean you support Putin.

The bio weapons labs nonsense is QAnon rubbish:

How a QAnon conspiracy theory about Ukraine bioweapons became mainstream disinformation It started as a fringe belief. - Now it's an official stated reason for Russia’s invasion

See also:

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right

Try to be a bit more skeptical. If it sounds like Russian propaganda, it's probably Russian propaganda.

ANALYSIS | How a QAnon conspiracy theory about Ukraine bioweapons became mainstream disinformation | CBC News

More than a quarter of Americans polled at the end of March said they believe that the United States has been developing bioweapons in labs across Ukraine — a conspiracy conceived, crafted, and amplified by QAnon and the Russian government.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-bioweapons-theory-1.6412029

MissConductUS · 23/11/2024 22:32

deeperdrivens · 23/11/2024 19:31

The minerals in Ukraine are not needed to save the world economy - nor as you put it either. But if you think that is what the senator meant, are you saying that he supports Ukrainians dying and their land being destroyed just so that the west has a monopoly on the minerals? That is appalling, morally and otherwise.

Economic power interests were key factors in decison making in ww 1 and ww2, and numerous other conflicts, this is nothing new. But no, the minerals are not needed to save the world economy.

Edited

I never used the work "save", so please don't intentionally misquote me. I said a monopoly on them would hurt the world economy. It is basic economics that monopolies are harmful.

Graham also never said that Ukrainians should resist the invasion to help the economy for that reason. He was simply pointing out that it's one reason helping them is in the west's interest.

Stravaig · 23/11/2024 22:43

Today in the Guardian

Finns, he said, are “quite cool-headed about the threat”, but preparedness is at the heart of that. “Intelligent preparedness as well as societal resilience. It’s all part of the whole-of-society approach that Finland has and we have had for a long time already.”

Fires, first aid and guns: meet the Finnish women training for war with Russia

Anxious Finns are learning how to survive in the wild in preparation for an invasion by their hostile neighbour

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/23/fires-first-aid-and-guns-meet-the-finnish-women-training-for-war-with-russia

1dayatatime · 23/11/2024 23:18

@Lyannaa

"we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. We have a programme for Ukrainian refugees.

Keir Starmer has the intelligence to know what he's doing."

Why does the UK have a responsibility whelp Ukraine?

I get that many see it as morally the right to do but that doesn't make it a responsibility and indeed there are a lot of conflicts around the world where many would argue that morally the UK should get involved but it doesn't (Sudan, Gaza, Myanmar, Xinjiang etc)

herecomesautumn · 24/11/2024 00:34

1dayatatime · 23/11/2024 23:18

@Lyannaa

"we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. We have a programme for Ukrainian refugees.

Keir Starmer has the intelligence to know what he's doing."

Why does the UK have a responsibility whelp Ukraine?

I get that many see it as morally the right to do but that doesn't make it a responsibility and indeed there are a lot of conflicts around the world where many would argue that morally the UK should get involved but it doesn't (Sudan, Gaza, Myanmar, Xinjiang etc)

Ask George Ezra!

StartupRepair · 24/11/2024 01:38

@Stravaig was just coming on to post that about Finland.

OceanStorm · 24/11/2024 03:33

Warmhome1 · 23/11/2024 21:57

It's a proxy war between Russia and the west.
The west funded zelenski then invested in a country on Russia's border. There was western bio labs up against russian territory.
The whole world has its eyes on Ukraines resources... being against the wests actions doesn't mean you support Putin.

@herecomesautumn English please!

Yes he has. He has just allowed storm shadow missiles to strike Russia