Should we be worried about war

[Seasidesand76]

Seen a lot in the news about Ukraine using USA missiles against Russia. I've been thinking more along the lines that it won't start a WW3 and will resolve at some point without the UK getting directly involved in war. But there seems to be more and more tension and threats of an all out war recently.

Should we be worried about WW3? I haven't been prepping or anything but does make me wonder if I should start getting a few days worth of food in case. At the same time I don't want to go down the prepper hole and start getting over the top.

Even without the US, Europe the UK and Canada could outmatch Russia conventionally right now. But Russia will reconstitute and so we need to grow our defence so that we can continue to counter and deter the Russian threat. There as a strategic statement made today in Warsaw announcing this kind of cooperation and it's a good thing because it paves the way for greater EU integration and all of the interoperable benefits that brings

Joint Declaration by the Foreign Ministers of Germany, France, Poland, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom in Warsaw, 19 November

www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-declaration-by-the-foreign-ministers-of-germany-france-poland-italy-spain-and-the-united-kingdom-in-warsaw-19-november

Well Tritium, which I did mention, certainly is in part of the Physics package in some devices, whether you can “plug and play” what needs doing with that in the field, don’t know, but for all sorts of reasons well have to end up disagreeing to some extent, I guess we’ve probably gone as far on this as is appropriate.

FFS what is the point of your post? It is only showing how little you know.

You must know that only a few countries have nuclear weapons because of the Nuclear nonproliferation treaties enforced by the powers that got them first!

I’ve not said it is “the simple bit” but accurately that the “components that rot” as was said to me are not part of a nuclear warhead, but the larger missile and no one keeps theirs all prebuilt for years/decades in silos where they send in maintenance every so often. It’s too expensive and inefficient.

I admit the news about Biden providing additional weapons and the escalation and threats of the last few days make me feel quite tense.

Worrying. 😬

Thank you for posting this. The threat and risk is real. It is not stupid, naive or showing some odd “motive” to be concerned about Russia.

I think there are various conflicts going on /brewing that have the potential to become greater conflicts. Ukraine/ Russia where does it stop? Will Russia follow through on its threats to sell long range missiles that would aim them at U.S. / allies? If they settle now will they be looking at Finland next?

I find the China/ Taiwan situation worrying too. I think China are waiting for Ukraine to play out, appetite for funding an expensive war abroad is low but if U.S. digs its heels in.

I do think really the immediate problem for the U.K. will be food security and climate change possiblynimplicayions of AI. I reckon in a hundred years we will be fighting over water resources, if the next generation make it.

Only if it was a nuclear attack. The risk to Russia would be too great to launch any major military attack of any sort. A direct attack on a country with nuclear weapons would be stupid from any country's perspective.

I haven’t got the energy to worry and fret. Life will do what it does. and worrying solves nothing. 🙂

Just theoretically, if NATO is weakened or eve breaks up under Trump, and Russia attacked Sweden, Finland or even the UK using nuclear arms, it is very conceivable that our allies wouldn't strike back with nuclear weapons in a mutual destruction kind of way. It would be immoral and they wouldn't do it.

Russia would have nothing to gain and everything to lose in that scenario

If it happens it happens.

I'm more worried about cyber or energy attacks and a pp made a good point about having cash in the house.

Remember that Russia has relationships with countries outside of NATO that are affected by Russia's actions. In a more globalised world there are lots of moving parts to consider

Yes, I agree. I don’t think we are anywhere near nuclear war. But you can have a lot of war without nuclear weapons.

BRICS could easily be the counter to NATO.

I don't think India or Brazil have any desire for that. And BRICS really isn't comparable to NATO in any way, including its reason for being. NATO, remember, is a defensive alliance set up specifically to counter the threat from the Soviet Union/Russia. Apples and oranges

I think it's the only decision Biden could take. It will be much worse if Trump does what he threatens and leaves Russia with a clear path into Poland.

That may well depend on the ordinance we still have and our ability to manufacture very large quantities of it.

I don't know if this is still the case but i did read that the UK has no means to make more Challenger 2 ammunition, still our MBT.

However, considering Russia cannot take a relatively small nation like Ukraine, despite air superiority, its hardly likely they could match a European only NATO force.

So for this reason, Russia wont want a wider war, let alone a nuclear one, which would end humanity as we know it.

It reminds me of George Orwell's 1984 with the governments using Wars keeping everyone in a state of terror.

I can only hope that if we are nuked they do it before the utility bills go up again in January... But I do wish the UK would stay out of it: As an island, we are a pretty good spot to drop a few obliterating missiles on.

The UK is America’s aircraft carrier on the edge of Europe. If it all kicks off UK will definitely be a target.

You didn't do it in the post I quoted, whether you say you did or not.

That didn't happen until after it was pointed out that you hadn't. The word 'directly' only appears in that post in relation to the US. People can read it for themselves.

There is indeed a limit to indirect attacks, but we've nowhere near reached that yet. Hence there's much more scope to do that than there is to attack directly, and it's much more likely and less risky for Russia.

Or instead of not thinking about it, just read the pamphlet. It has got really sensible and practical advice.

And also, we are very much expected by our Government to manage by ourselves for a week or two. And we are expected to be able to help neighbours and friends if needed. So not to waste time of those who has to help in real emergencies and not to be in their way.

They are very open with this, and this is why there are lists of what we need to have at home in this pamphlet Very easy to follow.

UK seem to either ridicule or bury their heads in the sand for some reason. I’m sure many of you would be pissed off if there was a cyber attack and nobody told you that you should have thought about having some water and food at home. You’d blame everyone else but yourself.

Link to the brochure in English:

https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/30874.pdf

Bikini Atoll, Japan and the UK. What do these three have in common?

This is a grim thought but I agree we should think about it..no one expected Covid but the it happened..
I'm a history student & I've done quite a lot of research into rape in war. A Woman in Berlin is a really stark book by a journalist Martha Hillers who lived through the Red Army's March. She details food shortages, collaborating w neighbours, & unflinchingly w the multiple rapes she experienced. Too many men revert to savagery in war. Some don't, but too many do. She does detail how some women evaded rape by either dressing as men or having higher attics which weren't reached so easily. I have a strong cellar, & I've been thinking of ways of reinforcing it. I don't have any trustworthy male relatives, & even if I did I wouldn't want to rely on them for protection, it wouldn't feel right to ask that of them or be dependent.
My great aunt was near Warsaw during WW2. She died before I was born, & I don't know much, but I do wonder what happened to her during the war.
I don't believe there will be a war, but I see no harm in being prepared in case. I don't like thinking there's nothing I can do in a disaster event, we have to strengthen ourselves however we can.
My mum is actually a prepper too, but bc she's a conspiracy theorist who thinks the Elite Gender Inverts will take over the world in Baphomet's name soon. We have slightly
different views, but we both agree on slowly stockpiling long lasting food.