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To think this product at The Range/Wilko is just plain racist?

230 replies

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 09:57

I've been complaining about this range of products since I saw them in my local store a few weeks ago.

I keep getting fobbed off with no response, or 'we aim to provide products for all tastes'.

This just seems to me like a blatant racist stereotype of Polynesian culture. But the company doesn't seem to agree at all. Am I losing my mind here because it seems very blatantly wrong to me?

https://www.wilko.com/en-uk/single-solar-tiki-water-sports-ornament-in-assorted-styles/p/8087004

Single Solar Tiki Water Sports Ornament in Assorted styles | Wilko

Shop for Single Solar Tiki Water Sports Ornament in Assorted styles at wilko - where we offer a range of home and leisure goods at great prices.

https://www.wilko.com/en-uk/single-solar-tiki-water-sports-ornament-in-assorted-styles/p/8087004

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TheLimeHedgehog · 19/11/2024 13:48

SatansBobbleheadedDashboardOrnament · 19/11/2024 13:46

Why wouldn't Polynesians go shopping in their local wilkos!?

Why how many uk Wilkos are based in Hawaii? 😂

BlueJellycat · 19/11/2024 13:48

Superhansrantowindsor · 19/11/2024 13:03

I personally think it’s awful but since I am white British I would rather listen to somebody from Polynesian culture. If they were offended I would understand why. I don’t think it’s my position to judge iyswim.

I tend to agreed. We are a Irish family. Not sure I'd want someone telling me leprechauns are offensive. That's for individuals in my family to decide for themselves ( I don't think anyone thinks this deeply in our family).

I think if someone says it's inappropriate to them as they have skin in the game you just respect it without lecturing how they should feel.

housethatbuiltme · 19/11/2024 13:51

Lavenderfarmcottage · 19/11/2024 12:08

Don’t know if the other posters have looked at all these photos. Fairly racist if you ask me, big light up eyes and a laughing face that looks animalistic/mythical creature/non human.

I’m no Polynesian or racism expert and don’t know have any any racist imagery expertise/contexf for this ornament. However, as a casual observer I personally agree with it’s very racist and share your shock that this is being sold in 2024. The ornament is de humanising and a stereotype of a race, the large eyes and laughing Bafoon expression make the character resemble historical anti black racism imagery and caricatures from America. Many of these images aimed to poke fun and depict stereotypes and characteristics such as laziness, and being beneath white people.

Is a Hannya mask racist?

Or a Venetian mask?

They are not a depiction of a person they are depictions of gods/demons etc... They aren't meant to look like 'real' people and its not 'stereotyping' anyone looks.

The racism is coming from people being offended and speaking out about something they haven't even spent 2 seconds to learn about. Silencing/Banning stuff you don't understand is offense and ignorance isn't really an excuse with a internet at your fingertips.

Take your guide from if people of that culture are offended not just ideas you made up because you lack knowledge of the origins of something.

graceinspace999 · 19/11/2024 13:54

MrTiddlesTheCat · 19/11/2024 11:07

I was expecting to say you were being OTT but my word, they're bad. They remind me of those awful 'gollies' that plagued us as kids.

In what way were you plagued by gollies?

RobertaFirmino · 19/11/2024 14:22

graceinspace999 · 19/11/2024 13:54

In what way were you plagued by gollies?

Mother was a jam addict. Put Robertson's finest on everything. All to collect those little tokens for the pin badges. House was full of them.

Mama2many73 · 19/11/2024 14:39

It isn't meant to represent an actual person though is it? It's not the same as 'blacking up you mention , which is horrendous. It's a tiki mask caricature .
I think a lot if people are offended by things that they believe is offensive to a particular people/race, however those people often don't feel offended by it themselves..

Edit, BTW it's bloody awful!

HonoraBridge · 19/11/2024 14:44

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 10:05

I am not sure that I agree with a lot of claims of cultural misappropriation, but how is this not racist? How is this anything other than a depiction of a Polynesian person, in a 'gollywog' style?

But that is how Polynesian itself art depicts people! You may see it as “gollywog” style but it is not. Maybe you should reflect on your own assumptions.

thatsawhopperthatlemon · 19/11/2024 14:49

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 10:05

I am not sure that I agree with a lot of claims of cultural misappropriation, but how is this not racist? How is this anything other than a depiction of a Polynesian person, in a 'gollywog' style?

It is a ceremonial Tiki mask.

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 14:51

thatsawhopperthatlemon · 19/11/2024 14:49

It is a ceremonial Tiki mask.

Can you show me tiki masks in a similar pose e.g. drunk in a rubber ring? Because I'm unaware of that particularly ceremonial use.

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FelixtheAardvark · 19/11/2024 14:58

It's ugly as fuck but not racist by any manner of means.

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 19/11/2024 14:59

OhMyGiddyAuntFanny · 19/11/2024 13:46

It’s hideous, yes. Racist? No. I think people who think it’s racist are the ones being racist.

Exactly this because most of them keep banging on about how they don't look human and they're stereotyping Polynesian people - how many times will they ignore posters telling them (correctly) that these are not representative of Polynesian people?!

The great offended are indeed the ones being racist as they're clearly marching through life thinking that Polynesian people were at some point ridiculed by white people for looking like Tiki masks! This never happened - this is not comparable to gollywogs or black face. It's just not the same thing.

Tiki masks are hand-carved wooden masks that, in their original intent, were used to stand in for deities, protect their users from evil spirits or even increase the mask wearers' fertility and luck. So kind of like the Polynesian version of a lucky shamrock or a lucky horseshoe. Or a rabbits foot or an amulet or a lucky sixpence in a brides shoe. I could go on but there's really no point is there?

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 19/11/2024 15:01

@SatansBobbleheadedDashboardOrnament no, they're indoor ornaments. I struggle to believe anyone would steal those monstrosities!

SatansBobbleheadedDashboardOrnament · 19/11/2024 15:09

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 19/11/2024 15:01

@SatansBobbleheadedDashboardOrnament no, they're indoor ornaments. I struggle to believe anyone would steal those monstrosities!

You would be surprised. I once sold a Betty Boop coffee table for an amazing profit.

sommerjade · 19/11/2024 15:19

So I think the plastic figure I'm seeing is supposed to be a person paddling a kayak; with a 'wooden' mask as a head instead of a proper human head. So it represents some monstrous mask-person. With solar lights for eyes.

Is it racist? Erm maybe.. I've no idea but who tf dreams up such fucking ugly things anyway?
It's definitely a crime against taste.

Lochroy · 19/11/2024 15:31

@pinotgrigeeeeo How do you know the gnomes are French. What if they are made in China. Or just British because they're in Asda. Then that's a terrible cultural misappropriation of the gnomes, for pretending to be French. And actually they probably are made in China, so surely it's racist for them not to look Chinese? Their culture is being wiped from their existence.

OriginalUsername2 · 19/11/2024 15:35

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 10:05

I am not sure that I agree with a lot of claims of cultural misappropriation, but how is this not racist? How is this anything other than a depiction of a Polynesian person, in a 'gollywog' style?

Isn’t it one of those masks? Cannot for the life of me remember what they’re called but there’s one in Crash Bandicoot and some in a Spongebob episode.

OriginalUsername2 · 19/11/2024 15:36

Tiki mask!!

ComtesseDeSpair · 19/11/2024 15:41

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 14:51

Can you show me tiki masks in a similar pose e.g. drunk in a rubber ring? Because I'm unaware of that particularly ceremonial use.

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you that it’s tat and a bastardization. They’re disagreeing with your initial assumption that this was intended to be a caricature of a Polynesian person, which it isn’t, and was therefore racist.

Actual people from Polynesian backgrounds tend to be more concerned about antique artworks and Tiki pillaged by colonisers in centuries and decades past being kept from their rightful homeland than about plastic tat.

larkinthebark · 19/11/2024 15:41

BlueJellycat · 19/11/2024 13:48

I tend to agreed. We are a Irish family. Not sure I'd want someone telling me leprechauns are offensive. That's for individuals in my family to decide for themselves ( I don't think anyone thinks this deeply in our family).

I think if someone says it's inappropriate to them as they have skin in the game you just respect it without lecturing how they should feel.

100% … everything is offensive these days to people virtue signaling on behalf of others who have not been consulted. Stupid white people “saving” the world.
Now a Sombrero is racist, apparently. You can go to Mexico- 100% buy a locally made in Mexico big hat, buy it from a Mexican person in a Mexican shop. Wear it on a sunny day at the beach in Brighton and be called racist.

Daddydog · 19/11/2024 16:01

It's not exactly racist but I'm not sure if it shows respect to Polynesian culture? For all we know it could be lazily based on a deity of high importance. When Disney made Moana they included tribal council leaders every step of production to ensure it represented their culture correctly. A friend whose currently in Hawaii is working on a major production there and they also run everything past tribal councils to ensure it was correctly in alignment with their beliefs and culture and not just the stereotypes. Their histories are not written but documented in art and stories passed down so this little guy could be really offensive. Maybe that deity was the lord of skies and having him in a boat is like an FU 🫣

MummyNotMumsy · 19/11/2024 16:05

Sskka · 19/11/2024 10:23

It doesn’t matter, the world where you can get people to care about that sort of thing is over now. The wheel has turned. Soon a question like this is going to look as outmoded as asking whether you should be covering up your piano legs.

Why? Genuine question?

SassK · 19/11/2024 16:06

GardenNope · 19/11/2024 14:51

Can you show me tiki masks in a similar pose e.g. drunk in a rubber ring? Because I'm unaware of that particularly ceremonial use.

You can buy a Tiki hut designed to make a garden bar, and you can buy Tiki garden ornaments and such like, to adorn these garden bars, in most garden centres. Wilko has clearly just put the beach bar spin on these particular ornaments.

saveforthat · 19/11/2024 16:07

It's not racist. It's just ugly. Who buys that shit?

SwordToFlamethrower · 19/11/2024 16:10

Racist to whom? Who is it poking fun at?

Victoriancat · 19/11/2024 16:24

Are you Polynesian, or a white person complaining on their behalf?