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And due to KS's inability to face them in Wales today they are now thinking of going on strike. Because the govt are being too stubborn to reconsider how they apply IHT on working family farms. By all means close the loophole that allows the 'landed gentry' to take advantage of the agricultural exception but not with so blunt an instrument.

I was hoping to add a post to an existing thread but there isn't one despite it being headline news today.

Not sure where the ‘crap’ comment comes from but anyway,

Well you know what they say about statistics…
However, you’re still wrong. If you want to compare farm acres average price in, for example, the NE then it’s nearer to £10,500.00 per acre with an average of 145 hectares. And they’re Government figures. So still 285 acres vs a 358 acres average.

The public will have no sympathy for an intelligent articulate woman who has money. Whereas we expect it in our politicians. Many of whom are certainly not paupers.

When did it become okay to be so biased against intelligence and money.

Is it because the public you speak of lack both?

Sorry, can’t work out what that means.
I quoted government figures before. Much lower than yours.

No it isn’t. Even based on current government figures of average hectares, that isn’t correct.

Nobody is biased against intelligence and money. It’s just obvious that she can afford the IHT she’s not a great front woman for a campaign that’s supposed to be about small farms.

What? And I’ve got no idea why you can’t work it out, it’s basic maths? Hectares aren’t Acres and you mentioned land value being cheaper in different regions -so I gave the North East as an example.

Not the maths. The English.
I already posted the average hectare size with acre conversion.

What do you mean by this?

Good lord no. With politicians of any flavour, I suspect them to be less than honest and use clever accounting to get their point accross also.

I mean it’s not envy. It’s about fairness.

But you’re the one brought up the subject of, presumably what you thought were, less expensive areas of farmland and their values. So I gave you the North East as an example of somewhere with both above average land value per acre and above average acreage. 🤷‍♀️

No, I said that since I could only find an average size for English farms, not U.K. ones, I was happy to accept that it might be a bit higher since sheep farms cover massive acreages. I then went on to point out that several acres on the top of, say, Yr Wyddfa, probably don’t have the same value as arable land near a commuter town.

No it was more a shock at how little fruit, in particular, we produce.
With less land now ( and with this awful tax even less in the future ) it was a basic observation in order to increase home produce to be consumed here.

What's fair about taking money that isn't yours?

50 years ago 2 pints of milk = 1 pint of Guinness - today 15 pints of milk = 1 pint of Guinness - think about that

I’m sure some sheep farms etc in Wales/Scotland are bigger, but I also doubt the land is priced as high

The average NE arable figures I stated aren’t near ‘commuter towns’. And they’re higher than the average I quoted. Scotland arable on average is around £10k per acre - also higher. Average Wales arable is hovering around £8:5-9k…..

So should we believe all Governments @cardibach or just this one.

Think you’ll find they were way off with numbers lost to private schools because of their tax. The ISC were far closer, because, they actually asked the people that knew their stuff…

Personally i think everyone should be helping to carry the black hole burden in some way
Ive mentioned before that
-stopping tuck money to prisoners would generate in excess of £110million each year…..for starters.
plus
-Put national insurance back to the original rate generating £9.4 billion / year OBR estimate based on 24/25 figures.

Just a couple of thoughts

I feel all the pain, but actually at nearly 70 with just one child and heir, I think I might just fuck off.

Off MN or to another country
or
both in fact

To another country. but probably not from MN!

If everything was fair I’d agree. It isn’t.

I actually could not bring myself to worry about fairness. I have worked all my adult life. I have made thoughtful considered decisions about tax and pensions and succession plans, so there is some money in the pot. I earned it, I can direct it, and when/wherever I decide to live outside the UK, it will be removed outside the UK's taxation grab.

This government is the most vengeful I have seen since the 1970s, so I am minded not to stick around.

No they didn't. They voted in almost exactly the same ratios as the rest of the country.

Farmers were promised one thing and then let down by the leave campaign. Lots of people got it wrong. Farmers are no more responsible for Brexit than anyone else

It’s tedious having to refute this Brexit voting nonsense every time.

Good for you
You won’t be alone me thinks