To support UK Farmers

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And due to KS's inability to face them in Wales today they are now thinking of going on strike. Because the govt are being too stubborn to reconsider how they apply IHT on working family farms. By all means close the loophole that allows the 'landed gentry' to take advantage of the agricultural exception but not with so blunt an instrument.

I was hoping to add a post to an existing thread but there isn't one despite it being headline news today.

Yep. It's something I want to support so I can eat local produce. I don't want it all imported or as cheaply produced as possible

So this is the tax system that helps that, fine by me

Yes me too. I think Labour types are jealous of anyone they perceive to have money (apart from themselves which is A ok) and assume they should be taxed. A £2m farm is not evidence of immense wealth, it just reflects the amount of land needed to farm.

Exactly
Attack private schools
Attack pensioners
Attack farmers

All of whom historically and in the majority do not vote Labour.
This has nothing to do with making money for that black hole

Hi all. Just thought I'd pop back on so I'm not one of those OPs that posts and runs. Seems the discussion is doing quite well without me. My only update is that, so far, unless a chance lands on my lap, I won't be attending on the 19th. Maybe on the next one.

With regards to paying IHT, after DM died and being an equal beneficiary with my 2 sisters to her Estate I had no problem at all with paying a bit of IHT due on her Estate. Given that most of it involved the super inflation in the value of her small little SE house and none of us had to lift a finger to inherit it, I had no problem at all. My sisters not so keen and had to be dragged by our solicitor and me to the altar of taxation.

DM was a late-starter Teacher, my sisters respectively were a desk-based nurse and a 'civil servant' who didn't really appear to do anything much except make the CS work for her. Taxes paid their wages and perks.

And I see the real difference between the IHT paid on my DM's estate and the IHT that the govt propose to levy on 'working' family farms. So, for most contra-gripes stated on this thread I have little time for, however I think the inheritors of some family businesses involved with manufacturing and production other than farming should have similar exemptions apply.

Bearing in mind that most won't also be living in the factory.

I think this is a dangerous game, @Animatron . You don’t want to get into an argument about the most necessary professionals.

Sure, farmers are up there but firefighters, police, health care professionals of various stripes - arguably these are all more important to society. If you make a case for giving farmers a break based on their relative importance to society I really cannot see why firefighters, who are so much more necessary and do such dangerous work, should have to pay income tax.

Ridiculous, you say? That’s my point.

Lots of "no farmers, no food" sentiment on here from a certain group of posters. Which is strange, as I don't remember them being quite as vociferous in their "no doctors, no health", "no teachers, no education" and "no drivers, no trains" stances.

I'm also very surprised that there have been no calls from them to have those farmers who organised / attended protest arrested and jailed.

Wasn't it just this summer that we were told, almost non-stop that protesting is a disruptive, counterproductive and undemocratic attempt to coerce the government, and that all those involved in the organisation of them deserved their 5 year jail-terms? What's changed?

Eh? Holy strawman argument, batman.

No, this is just how tax works. We tax things that generate excess capital. We tax things harder if we want to discourage them. We give tax breaks to industries we want to develop. We give many tax breaks to, for example, the film industry, because this brings a lot of value to our economy, and it increases our soft power in the world, too. We tax the tobacco industry intensively, because it's a detriment and costs us both money for healthcare and more importantly, human lives. This is how tax works.

Also I supported the teachers and the train drivers too. I stand with workers. Solidarity matters. I stand with farmers.

@StandingSideBySide completely agree! The likes of Dyson and Clarkson etc. will all be alive for at least another 20 years and this government will be long gone, so this is not about creating revenue.

I'd like to know how the largest landowners in the country are taxed - the Church, the Crown and the Oxford and Cambridge colleges. Not to mention the Mormons who farm vast amounts of land

Ha having worked on a farm, you re standing with the bosses & some of the worst employers out there, look up farm worker injuries, caused by too tight farmers who have scant regard for H&S... they also campaigned to get rid of the agri wages board, ensuring farm workers are on min wage now.

A lad got wrapped up in a silage bailer near me, he was pulled apart.

Meanwhile Dairy farmers rake it in.

Well done you!!

Maybe I'm going off tangent, but do we even need inheritance tax.

www.lorenz-partners.com/list-of-countries-with-no-inheritance-tax/

I live in the countryside and I know farmers and farm workers. Some are good and some are bad. There's a grouse moor by us that is a permanent environmental crime. There's smallholders who care for the land and have brought it back from the brink. There's all types of people. That's not really super connected to the concept of solidarity. It includes people you don't like.

I'm really sorry about the lad you knew.

I disagree. A country should absolutely think bigger picture about what's important and food security is one of them, and a rising issue as various things can disrupt supply chains.

I know farmers and farm workers. Some are good and some are bad.

Steady on, that's far too rational to fit the ideas some people clearly have formed about farmers.

@Shakeoffyourchains I know I have a wide posting history - gave up name changing yonks ago as a futile activity - but almost feel a bit of glee when a poster researches me and then presents my posting history as a fait accompli description of me and my most recent posts news.

It becomes tiresome when accusations of bots, HQs, DailyFail are given to explain the presence of most, quite legitimate posters.

As I've said many times before, we're actually quite boring on MN and that MSM isn't much interested in what we have to say; unless it's a 'slow'
news day.

Geniune question.

I know farming is a hugely manual job. So I assume by the time a farmer reaches their 50-60's, their children will be doing more and more of the work, and though still working, would they be doing less and less? Then by the time they are late 60's early 70's can't they sign the farm over to their child?

I've only known one farmer and the farm had multiple dwellings where three generations of the family lived. Is that not the norm? The dad, though still helping, had pretty much taken a back seat to his son, who was running the day to day stuff.

Can the farm not be passed to the child years before? I know life has no guarantees, but I always thought a farm was taken by the child years before the elder farmer died.

Give the same rights as the Monarchy No IHT. You think dearest Charles paid a penny 😂

I think the Govt probs very happy about the downfall of farming and are not trying to help then. Imports galore from slave worked countries and sell off the land to property developers. It is win win for them.

As part of a bigger picture, sure. Security has many facets, however. Those against the IHT on this thread are looking at farming in isolation.

But I am not convinced that a very generous IHT regime is all that disruptive. And we must all deal with the cost of Brexit, which the farmers supported quite strongly according to their own polls. A real shame the turkeys voted for Christmas, isn’t it? But why should they be exempt from the aftermath? Their own union warned them strongly against it.

If IHT was to be introduced in October 2031 they’d have time to set that up
it isn’t though
It will be April 2026
so unlike everyone else they have had no time to prepare for a tax they had no warning on.

I wouldn’t mind a longer phase in period if the cost is not high. The smart thing would be for farmers to suggest this rather than refuse to carry their share of the burden for the Brexit crisis they helped to create, and other Tory policies that have driven us into the ground - as farmers skew Tory.

I don't need farmers to be dealt with in any way due to Brexit as I can see it's better for me and everyone if we prioritise food security. I prefer the option of local produce and the pro importers here would prefer to risk supply, lower jobs, increase costs, none of which sounds like a good way to go.

Plus it seems quite juvenile to do policy on this basis. And we'll all be a level down at some point if it's tit for tat alone rather than what actually helps everyone.

If voters wanted some reversal of Brexit then it should have been that, not this version which is basically just making it worse.

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