If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

[Mokel]

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

Whataboutery at its finest.
Really? Why is there always a what if ... to Every. Single. Thing. someone posts.
Obviously the OP wasn't referring to people who for whatever reason are unable to stay silent.
But you knew that. You just wanted to virtue signal.
I say this as a mother to an autistic child who does not 'get' the need to stay silent. I don't need you to advocate for her thanks.

Spot on.

So would you bow to Mecca? It's only what, a few minutes 5 times a day or something.
If you were in a country that observed this and you were in a shop would you join in?

Do you think all babies, toddlers and small dc should be locked away for the duration? Non verbal autistic people? People with Tourette's?

And should caregivers just ignore them when they do make noises? So just stand and ignore a 3 year old boshing their infant sibling with a baguette whilst shouting that they are an elephant? Because this year I saw one year in a shop during the silence. Of course the parent spoke

It was given to me. I've had it for many years.

Of course, it costs me no donation. Instead of the British Legion I donate to PTSD UK, sometimes to homeless charities, and I also have personal involvement in the form of support for the Forward Trust (a charity for addicts and their families). All the above are likely to benefit former service personnel who, for whatever reason, don't conform to the label of 'hero' that society persists in attaching to them. In some cases that can be outright damaging. The living matter, too.

I do recall, and commemorate, those who have died or are suffering as a result of serving this country in war. But I will do so in my own way. I have no intention of conforming to a subscribed directive as to how this should be done.

Unless you are stupid, you are very well aware that no-one means this. What point are you trying to make?

What point was OP trying to make? She's had plenty to say but not bothered to clarify. Odd. Usually when multiple posts make the same point an OP does make their point more clearly.

It's just the usual goady, hope-to-have-a-bunfight thread.

We used to live near Royal Star and Garter Home for Injured Servicemen and Women-
As a child , there were many WW1 Veterans-

Prosthetic limbs then weren’t as “good” as they are now, never mind the “Shell shocked” men, some of whom enlisted very young (WW1) like 15 or 16 by lying about their age.

As a kid, my Riding instructor used to sometimes ride out of Richmond Gate and ride around the old decorative fountain ⛲️, Saluting his fellow Veterans, then back into the Park.

Many were limbless back then. ( Probably as now- War isn’t kind to human bodies or minds.)

There was a lot more respect in those days for Veterans, although post WW1 there was a massive homeless problem amongst Veterans, many who slept rough along the Embankment on the benches there.

The Two minute silence ideally should be a time for reflection .

So would you bow to Mecca? It's only what, a few minutes 5 times a day or something.If you were in a country that observed this and you were in a shop would you join in?

No but you wouldn’t stand there shouting down your phone or shouting for someone to get you fags, would you? That’s the point.

I don't think it is, because literally nobody in the thread has said what the fags-buying woman did was OK.

Just that it's not OK to tell people who don't observe the silence that they should stay indoors.

So would you bow to Mecca? It's only what, a few minutes 5 times a day or something.
If you were in a country that observed this and you were in a shop would you join in?

Would I be so disrespectful as to take part in a public religious observance when I don’t subscribe to that faith, of course not. But I also wouldn’t be disruptive or dismissive of it.

Ironically, a lot of people that shout "you must be silent" and "show respect!"don't show a lot of concern,care or respect for veterans at any other point in the year.

In my opinion , it's wrong to conflate care and respect with public , performative acts.

There's very little reflection happening, or change , either on an individual or national level.

I wouldn't do that ever, much less actually swear, regardless of what was going on around me.

No, I don’t agree. Of course people shouldn’t have to stay indoors - a number of people (including the OP?) clarified that early on. The vast majority of people are discussing what’s appropriate behaviour during the 2 Minutes of Remembrance.

Indeed, that’s what the Mecca/being in a shop post I quoted was referring to.

Where did I specify that I was ever only referring to the British army?

It depends how you define aggressor.

Nobody said that either.

No, OP never rowed back on the "If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place."

Odd. It was where I come from.

We are nearer to a global war than we’ve ever been, and yet we are urged to observe not one but two “two minute silences” and challenge anyone who doesn’t wear a poppy.
Performative remembrance isn’t doing much good, us it?

It’s an unreasonable ask. You can’t expect people who don’t follow the minutes silence or whatever it is to not leave their house because it offends other people. If they want to do their minutes silence in peace then they should have done it at home

No one said they should not leave their house but they don't need to be in a shop in those precise 2 whole minutes and make fools of themselves. Rude and ignorant

The op has clarified no such thing, this thread is literally about if people who are unable or choose not to observe the silence should have to stay indoors.

@BarbaraHoward , you can choose not to take part but you should not negatively impact those for whom this is deeply important.
I was quite young during the troubles but I do know many young British soldiers gave their lives to keep the peace in Ireland. 188 civilians died during that time which is regrettable but it was a war type situation. The issues around those deaths don’t impact my respect in general for our armed forces.
I remember every service person who made the ultimate sacrifice for my freedom and all those whose life has been forever changed since WW1. I am deeply affected by the wonderful WW1 poetry which depicts in such painful detail their misery.
Pin all your hate on a few individuals who are yet to be proven to have done anything wrong. I will give my gratitude and respect to those who deserve it.
Lest we forget.

Usual thread full of people who refuse to see the other persons perspective, because what they think is the only way to be. It makes me want to join the "I've had enough of people" thread.

Obviously there is no obligation to observe the silence, but it's just dickish to spoil it for others who do want to. I don't go out of my way to observe but if I am caught up in it I'll just reflect for a moment on all the mothers that lost their sons.

Surely nobody would put judge a child for talking, I love to hear them, I envy their innocence and obliviousness to be honest.

Littlemissgobby did in the post I tagged

( ps. Is your username a reflection on UK wet weather or is that’s Germanys…Just wondering )