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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

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SweetSakura · 10/11/2024 12:20

But if people really felt respectful they wouldn't be out buying their carrots or whatever anyway because they would be at a service, so it's really not much of a muchness between being quiet but in Tesco and not being quiet and in Tesco

(Staff excepted)

godmum56 · 10/11/2024 12:21

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 12:03

Maybe we're more respectful where I live? 😆 It's definitely been happening for a while.

Do people realise that its actually a revival? My mother remembered everything stopping for two minutes but I think it only came back to public spaces perhaps around 20 years ago? https://www.batterseabus.co.uk/two-minutes-silence/
oh...I googled, it was revived 25 years ago

Two Minutes Silence – Man on the Battersea Bus

https://www.batterseabus.co.uk/two-minutes-silence

Mokel · 10/11/2024 12:22

I had relatives in all wars up/to including the Bosnia war. My late GM's cousins was killed in action over Malta in WW2 and seen his shared gravestone which has other nationalities on his grave.

Our late relative that fought in Bosnia (died of cancer last year) took part in various parades including the Cenotaph

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listsandbudgets · 10/11/2024 12:22

SweetSakura · 10/11/2024 12:09

Agreed

As long as they don't impinge on those whonchoose to observe it.. like demanding service in a shop or speaking loudly on their phone. 2 minutes is not a big ask

catlovingdoctor · 10/11/2024 12:23

SometimesCalmPerson · 10/11/2024 08:49

Unable? So you think anyone who makes involuntary noise or who cannot understand the concept of staying silent for remembrance should be forced to stay at home?

I’m sure that’s not the sort of freedom soldiers were supposed to be fighting for.

Stop being so disingenuous and provocative.

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:24

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 11:38

Never heard of a driving ban at 11!

It's not fine for a car to drive through a religious ceremony on any day of the year. It would have been quite clear what was going on. Stop and go another way. Very disrespectful.

Autumn38 · 10/11/2024 12:24

Lifeglowup · 10/11/2024 08:51

There is a difference between not wanting to do something yourself and not allowing others to do something.

If you make noise it means others can’t have a silent reflection.

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:26

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 11:37

You make a choice to go to a funeral though don't you. You wouldn't be expecting it in a shop and I've never experienced a two minute silence in the middle of shopping to be honest.

This has been the case for many years in UK supermarkets. You don't have to stop shopping but you should not disturb someone who is observing the silence.

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:26

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 12:13

@Mokel , I entirely agree with you. Sadly so many people are utterly selfish these days and can’t understand and don’t care that their disrespect adversely impacts what is an important act for those of us who have a shred of decency.

To be very clear - if you're suggesting that Irish people from NI (and that's not me) should be stopping and showing respect to the British army, then it's you who is without a shred of decency (and without a shred of knowledge of your own country's history).

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:26

I to used to work in a supermarket about the same time op and we had 2 min silence i think majority did do it. I am disgusted by some comments on here she is not saying you have to stop going outside but simply suggesting if there is a bloody 2 min silence that people are doing talking loudly etc is disrespectful so why not wait after the two mins has passed to ho out or show some bloody respect. Some people are selfish

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 12:27

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 12:13

@Mokel , I entirely agree with you. Sadly so many people are utterly selfish these days and can’t understand and don’t care that their disrespect adversely impacts what is an important act for those of us who have a shred of decency.

Is the benchmark for decency what YOU want to do and what is important to YOU?

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:27

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:26

To be very clear - if you're suggesting that Irish people from NI (and that's not me) should be stopping and showing respect to the British army, then it's you who is without a shred of decency (and without a shred of knowledge of your own country's history).

Irish people died in the second world war abd the first world war that is a fact this isn't about the British army. We celebrate Australians for example that have died to anyone that have died in war

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 12:28

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:24

It's not fine for a car to drive through a religious ceremony on any day of the year. It would have been quite clear what was going on. Stop and go another way. Very disrespectful.

Oh, I didn't realise the car drove through a ceremony. I thought the poster was complaining that the car was driving during the two minute silence.

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:28

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 12:27

Is the benchmark for decency what YOU want to do and what is important to YOU?

It's about a community and as a community in the uk and else where they have 2 min of silence so by being an outlier it's disrespectful

jannier · 10/11/2024 12:32

housethatbuiltme · 10/11/2024 09:25

But people do allow others they just don't partake... if you are being silent you are obviously being allowed to do that in fact the shop went out of its way to do an announcement.

What people are talking about is taking away other peoples right to NOT be silent.

Only one side is attempting to 'stop' the others action... this thread isn't saying 'if you want silence stay home' its saying 'if you don't you shouldn't be allowed out' thus saying they should have their right to continue as normal removed. Which is frankly ridiculous.

Shouting and demanding service is not allowing others time for reflection and contemplation even if your not the one being shouted at. On the radio today they played bird song even that is not silence

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:33

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:27

Irish people died in the second world war abd the first world war that is a fact this isn't about the British army. We celebrate Australians for example that have died to anyone that have died in war

Yes but Irish people were also killed on the streets of the UK so it's a matter for each person to decide how they balance that. There should be no expectation around remembrance outside of respect for those taking place. You can't tell anyone's history on sight, everyone should be free to choose their route free of judgement.

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:35

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:33

Yes but Irish people were also killed on the streets of the UK so it's a matter for each person to decide how they balance that. There should be no expectation around remembrance outside of respect for those taking place. You can't tell anyone's history on sight, everyone should be free to choose their route free of judgement.

Nobody should be forced to do 2 min silence but if you in the bloody streets and others are then be quiet or especially if supermarket has announced it and you still chatter come on now

jannier · 10/11/2024 12:35

Bubblesgun · 10/11/2024 09:33

My great great grandfather fought in WWI my grand father in WWII, my great uncle was shot by the nazis and has a plaque where he was killed. Sometimes I observe the silence, most time I dont.

i dont need 2 mins of silence once a year to remember the sacrifices my ancestors made for this world.

so if I need to go shopping at this time or be out and about then I will.

i dont need anyone to be sanctimonious to me especially on that day.

526,000 or so minutes a year and asking for you to not demand to shop for 2 is unreasonable.

Mokel · 10/11/2024 12:36

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 12:28

Oh, I didn't realise the car drove through a ceremony. I thought the poster was complaining that the car was driving during the two minute silence.

The churches round here have road closures for about an hour or two, if there is a parade. Signs have been up for at least a week before hand.

I took part in 6 parades in the village where I lived as a child, as a Brownie and later a Guide. My final year of being a Brownie and Guide I was the flag bearer for the groups. As being the oldest and tallest. Half the main road that goes through the village was closed. There were alternative routes for anyone needing to drive, depending on where you live.

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CagneyAndLazy · 10/11/2024 12:36

YANBU.

Presumably if Putin's war expands when Trump pulls American support for Ukraine, those people who don't care about remembering the fallen will also be ok with no one putting themselves on the line next time.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 10/11/2024 12:38

Its one thing if you have no control - a small child or someone with a condition. But I was once in town where everybody stopped and was quiet when some guy walked out of the bookies on his phone and walked through all the silent still people having a conversation at the top of his voice, swearing and shouting. Total dick behaviour.

AuntieKraker · 10/11/2024 12:40

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 11:50

Please don't assume a reply when it wasn't given. You think you actually have to point out that different people will have had different experiences, just because I stated that a lot of people of my age, who grew up in the UK, don't really understand what the threat of all out war feels like? I'm well aware of the wars and atrocities which other peoole have experienced, but I don't know what it feels like. I think others also don't know what it feels like and so forget to be thankful for our freedoms.

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And you should therefore be old enough and presumably mature enough to know there are millions of people who have had their borders invaded and lives at threat because of the actions of the British Army. And many of those people who have had family and friends killed and homes destroyed in wars where the British Army was the aggressor live amongst us and are even on Mumsnet. So naturally no, not everyone is thankful for the British Army.

Being grateful for those who were forced to fight in WW1 and 2 where liberty was at stake is very diffident to those who choose to sign up to fight in more recent wars.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 12:40

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:26

To be very clear - if you're suggesting that Irish people from NI (and that's not me) should be stopping and showing respect to the British army, then it's you who is without a shred of decency (and without a shred of knowledge of your own country's history).

I’d have to add not just Northern Ireland but the entire island of Ireland

AuntieKraker · 10/11/2024 12:43

CagneyAndLazy · 10/11/2024 12:36

YANBU.

Presumably if Putin's war expands when Trump pulls American support for Ukraine, those people who don't care about remembering the fallen will also be ok with no one putting themselves on the line next time.

Again, big difference between defending your country and being an aggressor. Being an aggressor is not something to be honoured.