To think primary schools now days are more misogynistic amongst the boys, than in the past?

[Thatcastlethere]

I hate to be all 'back in the good old days' and tbh I don't even think it was that great in the past... I think I just expected it to be better now days.
But am I wrong for feeling like there's been a massive upsurge in misogynistic feeling amongst primary age boys?
My two eldest are at primary school. It's a state school but it's regarded as a good school in a very middle class area. It's also considered a faintly hippy/alternative place.
Yet some of the things I've seen and heard regarding my 9yo son and my 6yo daughters experiences at school have really shocked me.
My son for example uses all this language 'sigma' 'alpha' etc... well he did until I explained to him that it was harmful macho nonsense. He's also asked me about andrew tate and trump etc as these people seem to be hero's for some of his male friends. These boys are 9!!
My son doesn't have unsupervised access to the Internet. And the access he does have is limited to one hour on his tablet in the living room on weekend days. During which he just plays roblox and Minecraft. We have disabled YouTube from the TV and he is not allowed YouTube on his tablet.. yet he still seems to come across endless misogynistic content at school somehow.
My son is a sweet boy imo and he forms his own opinions.. he was telling me how he disliked andrew tate for example, without me even having said anything
So it's not that I'm worried about him absorbing these ideas.. it's just a bit concerning that it's so prevalent!
I've also overheard some of his friends in the park sating horrific things about girls and women. Once I even heard one of them threatening to punch a girl. I did step in at this and told him it was disgusting and the boy did look faintly ashamed at least.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Also my 6yo has been subject to comments on her appearance by boys! Already at 6!
I'm sure it wasn't quite this bad wen I was at school or perhaps I just didn't notice?
My husband is a fair bit older than me and was also remarking that he never knew anything like this at school..
Altho obviously misogyny was alive and well when we were kids.. you just never really heard this so directly

And more darvo, nicely illustrating my point. Interesting you think your son deserves respect but teachers don't. A teacher has shared her experience with entitled male behaviour. Your reluctance to consider her experience and discomfort says a lot. You could homeschool if you find teachers are not respectful enough to your boy?

DS remembers getting beaten up by a classmate in primary. This boy also beat a girl up. This was about 13 years ago. Don't think it was any better in the past

You've got quite a nerve to come to Mumsnet and promote Tate. If you nurture this sort of belief set at home, do be careful your precious boy doesn't get referred to Prevent.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/12/rapid-rise-in-andrew-tate-related-cases-referred-to-prevent-by-schools

I get the point the poster is making about 15 year old boy sitting with his legs akimbo and speaking with booming voices. Attributing it to “entitlement” or trying to “intimidate” does feel like overlaying intentions that may well not be there because they are children their finding way. I mean I was always playing off my 2 best friends against each other when I was at school. The adult term would be psychological abuse or coercive control for some of the ways we were all behaving, but that’s not how I’d describe any of us now.

I’m horrified someone mentioned up thread that there are primary schools where children aren’t allowed to run in the playground. I mean what else are playgrounds for if not running around and playing?

Some of this feels anti-child as much as anti boy. I’d love to see some actual evidence based pedagogy on this type of thing. I also think understanding a bit of neuroscience is no bad thing - I don’t think girls will be girls and boys will be boys, but I do think children need to be given some grace and kindness to mature and develop.

All of which is a different quality from quoting Andrew Tate, or bragging about running over prostitutes in grand theft auto, or joking about sexually assaulting girls, or using homophobic insults etc. That unequivocally needs to be challenged because it’s objectively misogynistic and unacceptable.

You think manspreading and intimidating women is ok? I think you need to check your own misogyny. Jeez.

Thing is though it starts young and continues. We’re lucky at our primary as we have big grounds for playtime but you still see a bit of dominance from the boys. But physical play is so important for all the children. There seems to be a bit of a cycle in ours where bad behaviour is punished by taking away play time but I honestly think a lot of the behaviour would probably be better if there was at least an hour of PE every day and less intense learning about fronted adverbials.

Get your head out of the sand.

Children today are influenced by friends, classmates, parents and social media. As parents, it's our responsibility to educate them. We should explain to them who people like Trump and Tate are and that there's absolutely nothing funny or admirable about them"

DD (11) was bullied by a boy in Y1. Our complaints were ignored, so DH and I encouraged her to stand up for herself, and eventually the bullying stopped.
It's very distressing that children sometimes have to resort to self defense to stop bullying.

DS (9), who is a kind and loving soul, was teased by a girl on his 8th birthday for playing with dolls. She called him a "sissy", so I had a chat with her mum. She apologized, apparently she hadn't realised that her words had hurt him. They're still friends to this day.
Fortunately, none of his classmates hold misogynistic views and I will never, ever allow him to be friends with a Tate supporter!

Thanks for that gem of insight.

I don't have my head in the sand, I parent my child and we discuss these things when they come up.

Society has changed, therefore our offspring change and its up to parents to guide. My ds isn't idolising Trump or looking for a "trad wife". But he is a boy, he is male, he does take up space because he's taller than me at age 12....he isn't taking up space to intimidate me or anyone else. Yes there are many men that do, but those misogynistic idiots have existed since time began. I dont see it as getting worse as such. We are seeing it more due to social media and more access to things generally.