To think primary schools now days are more misogynistic amongst the boys, than in the past?

[Thatcastlethere]

I hate to be all 'back in the good old days' and tbh I don't even think it was that great in the past... I think I just expected it to be better now days.
But am I wrong for feeling like there's been a massive upsurge in misogynistic feeling amongst primary age boys?
My two eldest are at primary school. It's a state school but it's regarded as a good school in a very middle class area. It's also considered a faintly hippy/alternative place.
Yet some of the things I've seen and heard regarding my 9yo son and my 6yo daughters experiences at school have really shocked me.
My son for example uses all this language 'sigma' 'alpha' etc... well he did until I explained to him that it was harmful macho nonsense. He's also asked me about andrew tate and trump etc as these people seem to be hero's for some of his male friends. These boys are 9!!
My son doesn't have unsupervised access to the Internet. And the access he does have is limited to one hour on his tablet in the living room on weekend days. During which he just plays roblox and Minecraft. We have disabled YouTube from the TV and he is not allowed YouTube on his tablet.. yet he still seems to come across endless misogynistic content at school somehow.
My son is a sweet boy imo and he forms his own opinions.. he was telling me how he disliked andrew tate for example, without me even having said anything
So it's not that I'm worried about him absorbing these ideas.. it's just a bit concerning that it's so prevalent!
I've also overheard some of his friends in the park sating horrific things about girls and women. Once I even heard one of them threatening to punch a girl. I did step in at this and told him it was disgusting and the boy did look faintly ashamed at least.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Also my 6yo has been subject to comments on her appearance by boys! Already at 6!
I'm sure it wasn't quite this bad wen I was at school or perhaps I just didn't notice?
My husband is a fair bit older than me and was also remarking that he never knew anything like this at school..
Altho obviously misogyny was alive and well when we were kids.. you just never really heard this so directly

Although society is generally more educated and less sexist in lots of ways,

im not sure it is, there is certainly a lack of critical thinking & I think it’s more sexist in some ways, a lot more pressure to look a certain way for example.

Why shouldn't it be?

I'm late 40s and would say things are far more stereotyped now than when I was a child.

Kids colours were primary colours and we didn't really have girls colours but blue was for boys. We played a lot more with unisex toys like lego and cars and ball games and board games but girls played skipping and boys played football.

I don't remember anything pink and sparkly unlike when my early 20s DD was born and Disney Princesses and mounds of pink plastic were everywhere.

What are girls and boys made of?
Sugar and spice and all.things nice
Frogs and snails and puppy dogs tails
That what we sang in the playground. Seems like that sort of a thing , kids have always done it.

Goodness - that reminds me we used to single eeny meeny miney mo (not sure how to spell that), catch a n*** by the toe.

Had no idea what it meant nor that it was bad to sing.

My DS was talking about this today. He's year 7 and says a significant number of boys in his class buy into the Andrew Tate / sigma mindset. The Christian Bale American Psycho character is really popular (in loads of sigma memes).

He said a lot of his class were happy Trump got elected. There's a lot of homophobia. He's finding it incredibly difficult to deal with.

I find it really worrying. We've lived in a time where we assume society always becomes more progressive/accepting. It definitely feels like there's a shift happening.

I'm late 40s.

Boys didn't wear pink but girls definitely wore blue.

I remember boys being interested in skipping so allowing them to join in.

It helped that boxers skipped. It got to the point were we often had large skipping games at break times taking over the play ground. (We also played British bulldog until we got caught.)

We girls also played football but it wasn't until just before secondary school the boys refused to play with us.

I suspect it was down to numbers of children plus ratios of girls to boys, as we were a low birth rate year.

I just refuse to buy into anything unicorn I just feel it's a conspiracy against girls progression. I guess it's just easy to sell with no patents like dinosaurs. But my house is definitely a unicorn free zone!

It has themes of/normalises
arranged marriage
Slavery
Sexism
Eg. At the end she is allowed to live in her husband's castle.
Is that the language we should be still normalising when for decades now in reality women have been paid less and took on lower paid jobs to bring up families but are now supposed to have paid as much pensions etc. Times should be changing but they aren't.

I’m late 30s and agree - things are much more stereotyped now. At the weekend we all wore sweaters, jeans and wellies and everyone got muddy. I remember some of my friends wearing dresses to parties (which only stands out because I refused to do so) but generally kids were in fairly similar clothes boy or girl.

OP it’s social media. I’m a TA in a Reception class and the kids talk about their favourite YouTubers. It is really, really depressing.

It's a fairy tale, not real

It's an out of date pile of shit. No place for it in children's education.

Haha yes it ends with the girls winning and changing the rhyme.

Hmmmm… my DS loves football but also has female best friends. The result of his school enacting this (boys can play on Mondays Tuesday/girls can play Wednesday/Thursdays) was they were not allowed to play together anymore. Even if the girls said they wanted him there on their days the school enforced it.

It seems utterly ridiculous to me. Isn’t it better that we encourage children to play in a less gendered way and encourage everyone to on than reinforce that they are separate?

Agree completely. It's very tiresome and dim.

My son is a beautiful, kind, and wonderful little boy. My fears re misogyny and Andrew Tate bollocks come from a place of worry and concern for HIM as much as anything else.

But definitely misogyny has become mainstreamed and it’s creeping into the parlance of children even if I’m not sure that they know what it means. An 8 year old was suspended at our school for giving another child a sweet to show him her “breasts” and making other sexualised comments, telling his teacher she liked her gyatt. There’s chatter about Tate and Trump in the playground. DS is in the room when we’re watching the news so he knows that Tate is accused of rape and sex trafficking and all the crazy shit that has come out of Donald Trumps mouth; because we’ve had to talk things through.

It’s pretty depressing. I think it’s normal for a bit of silliness about gender roles when you are children but what’s happening at the moment is so much worse.

I love the bit in CS Lewis' Narnia where a girl absolutely 'falls in love' with the unicorn and the author is quite clear that it's because she hasn't seen him in battle with his four hoofs, bite plus sharp horn! Did they have sparkly unicorn toys in the 30s? If not, he was maybe seeing the future...

Go Jetters have a unicorn which isn't sparkly and ridiculous.

10/26 in my dc year 9 form raised their hand to vote for trump in a mock classroom election. Only about 3/26 raised their hand saying they wouldn't vote for him, this included dc, the rest refused to say.

Younger dc is in year 7. All through primary, out of control boys have spoilt things. Badly behaved, can't sit still, back chatting to the teacher and acting like alpha males owning the school. These were not dc with ADHD, we are very familiar with ADHD and the dc are often very lovely and any out of control behaviour regretted more often than not. It's boys with very lax parenting. They all played fortnight, stayed up late at night and their parents didn't instil kindness, self respect and self control in them, they left them to run wild.

There is some extremely aggressive, hostile, arrogant and intimidating behaviour from a whole lot of boys in year 7 this year, more than with my older dc. Of course there are dozens of good, well brought up boys but a parenting stance of boys will be boys and not having firm boundaries when they are out of control is extremely prevalent. Some of the dads and older siblings will be into Tate and porn , they pass their inherent attitudes on.

OP are you saying that this is schools fault? That they are being taught these things? Or are you saying that they are hearing them from their peers in the playground? It's not very clear from your thread title and post.

Try the unicorns in Skandar and the unicorn thief!

I’ve just removed my 4 year old reception daughter and sent her to new school.

It wasn’t just becaise of mysogeny as such, but was because of aggressive and inappropriate behaviour of a boy and his followers against the girls - and the school’s weak attitude towards it.

I had been super keen to sent my daughter to a friendly liberal school, but it’s basically been a hotbed of boys cornering girls and punching them in stomach, generally kicking and hitting (to the point of significant bruising) and a recent sinister turn of girls being physically grabbed and restrained and then kissed.

I do not think this is normal behaviour and didn’t like schools “boys will be boys” attitude and so just got her out. None of this at new school thankfully!

what I couldn’t understand was where it came from? Is it kids watching nasty Andrew Tate stuff and you tube even at that age?! Or violence in the home?

It reads like she means what happens at primary school during break and playtime and general attitudes dc bring to school. It's their primary place to socialise. Not that it's school's fault. Our primary was outstanding, inclusive and pretty brilliant and we had theses problems. It is due to dc spending too much time playing violent age rated games, being on social media in year 3 or 4 and watching copious amounts of YouTube unsupervised. It's brainrot. Combined with a boys will be boys culture in many families. Their boys are never at fault.

There was a bit of this at my school (US) 20 years ago. Nip it in the bud early and send them to the principal's office each time. They'll tire soon enough.

Mines the same age he knows who trump is because I told him who won the American election the other day. Nothing wrong with knowing who the current American president is.
He doesn't know who Tate or any of the other internet edgelords, parents who let their kids roam the internet unsupervised are the problem.